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Nikola Tesla stated in his patent, Art of Transmitting Electrical Energy Through Natural Medium, that he used sensitive instruments to measure lightning discharges:




In the course of certain investigations which I carried on for the
purpose of studying the effects of lightning discharges upon the
electrical condition of the earth I observed that sensitive receiving
instruments arranged so as to be capable of responding to electrical
disturbances created by the discharges
at times failed to respond when
they should have done so, and upon inquiring into the causes of this
unexpected behavior I discovered it to be due to the character of the
electrical waves which were produced in the earth by the lightning
discharges and which had nodal regions following at definite distances
the shifting source of the disturbances. From data obtained in a large
number of observations of the maxima and minima of these waves I
found their length to vary approximately from twenty-five to seventy
kilometers, and these results and certain theoretical deductions led
me to the conclusion that waves of this kind may be propagated in all
directions over the globe and that they may be of still more widely
differing lengths, the extreme limits being imposed by the physical
dimensions and properties of the earth.




Does anyone knows of such method of measurement? How does it work?
Did anyone else ever get the same results as Nikola Tesla? Is it possible with modern instruments and methods to measure electrical waves produced by lightning?










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    there's no "electrical waves"; there's electromagnetic waves, and "electrical disturbances" are what was observed, i.e. disturbed operation of electrical devices. Wording is important, here!
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Nikola Tesla stated in his patent, Art of Transmitting Electrical Energy Through Natural Medium, that he used sensitive instruments to measure lightning discharges:




In the course of certain investigations which I carried on for the
purpose of studying the effects of lightning discharges upon the
electrical condition of the earth I observed that sensitive receiving
instruments arranged so as to be capable of responding to electrical
disturbances created by the discharges
at times failed to respond when
they should have done so, and upon inquiring into the causes of this
unexpected behavior I discovered it to be due to the character of the
electrical waves which were produced in the earth by the lightning
discharges and which had nodal regions following at definite distances
the shifting source of the disturbances. From data obtained in a large
number of observations of the maxima and minima of these waves I
found their length to vary approximately from twenty-five to seventy
kilometers, and these results and certain theoretical deductions led
me to the conclusion that waves of this kind may be propagated in all
directions over the globe and that they may be of still more widely
differing lengths, the extreme limits being imposed by the physical
dimensions and properties of the earth.




Does anyone knows of such method of measurement? How does it work?
Did anyone else ever get the same results as Nikola Tesla? Is it possible with modern instruments and methods to measure electrical waves produced by lightning?










share|improve this question











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  • $begingroup$
    there's no "electrical waves"; there's electromagnetic waves, and "electrical disturbances" are what was observed, i.e. disturbed operation of electrical devices. Wording is important, here!
    $endgroup$
    – Marcus Müller
    40 mins ago













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Nikola Tesla stated in his patent, Art of Transmitting Electrical Energy Through Natural Medium, that he used sensitive instruments to measure lightning discharges:




In the course of certain investigations which I carried on for the
purpose of studying the effects of lightning discharges upon the
electrical condition of the earth I observed that sensitive receiving
instruments arranged so as to be capable of responding to electrical
disturbances created by the discharges
at times failed to respond when
they should have done so, and upon inquiring into the causes of this
unexpected behavior I discovered it to be due to the character of the
electrical waves which were produced in the earth by the lightning
discharges and which had nodal regions following at definite distances
the shifting source of the disturbances. From data obtained in a large
number of observations of the maxima and minima of these waves I
found their length to vary approximately from twenty-five to seventy
kilometers, and these results and certain theoretical deductions led
me to the conclusion that waves of this kind may be propagated in all
directions over the globe and that they may be of still more widely
differing lengths, the extreme limits being imposed by the physical
dimensions and properties of the earth.




Does anyone knows of such method of measurement? How does it work?
Did anyone else ever get the same results as Nikola Tesla? Is it possible with modern instruments and methods to measure electrical waves produced by lightning?










share|improve this question











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Nikola Tesla stated in his patent, Art of Transmitting Electrical Energy Through Natural Medium, that he used sensitive instruments to measure lightning discharges:




In the course of certain investigations which I carried on for the
purpose of studying the effects of lightning discharges upon the
electrical condition of the earth I observed that sensitive receiving
instruments arranged so as to be capable of responding to electrical
disturbances created by the discharges
at times failed to respond when
they should have done so, and upon inquiring into the causes of this
unexpected behavior I discovered it to be due to the character of the
electrical waves which were produced in the earth by the lightning
discharges and which had nodal regions following at definite distances
the shifting source of the disturbances. From data obtained in a large
number of observations of the maxima and minima of these waves I
found their length to vary approximately from twenty-five to seventy
kilometers, and these results and certain theoretical deductions led
me to the conclusion that waves of this kind may be propagated in all
directions over the globe and that they may be of still more widely
differing lengths, the extreme limits being imposed by the physical
dimensions and properties of the earth.




Does anyone knows of such method of measurement? How does it work?
Did anyone else ever get the same results as Nikola Tesla? Is it possible with modern instruments and methods to measure electrical waves produced by lightning?







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    there's no "electrical waves"; there's electromagnetic waves, and "electrical disturbances" are what was observed, i.e. disturbed operation of electrical devices. Wording is important, here!
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    there's no "electrical waves"; there's electromagnetic waves, and "electrical disturbances" are what was observed, i.e. disturbed operation of electrical devices. Wording is important, here!
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    – Marcus Müller
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there's no "electrical waves"; there's electromagnetic waves, and "electrical disturbances" are what was observed, i.e. disturbed operation of electrical devices. Wording is important, here!
$endgroup$
– Marcus Müller
40 mins ago




$begingroup$
there's no "electrical waves"; there's electromagnetic waves, and "electrical disturbances" are what was observed, i.e. disturbed operation of electrical devices. Wording is important, here!
$endgroup$
– Marcus Müller
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sensitive receiving instruments arranged so as to be capable of responding to electrical disturbances created by the discharges




A lightning strike is an enormous current flowing for very shortly. That (thanks to Ampere and Maxwell) we know to induce an electromagnetic wave with a very high bandwidth and very high power.



So, any radio receiver these days is more than capable of "detecting" such discharges (simply by malfunctioning for a short time).



What Tesla had was probably even simpler: Close enough to the discharge, the change in E-Field might be drastic enough to simply make a spark gap across a simple coil spark.



Really, what about googling "lighning detection"? There's large-scale citizen science projects where people contribute their own lightning counts to a large central database.






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    The frequencies in question are classified as very low frequency (VLF). They are used for communication with submarines. Historically, VLF was used for some wireless telegraphy applications. For additional information you can read the very low frequency Wikipedia article and the references listed there. There are also lower frequency bands called ultra low frequency and extremely low frequency.






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      It is entirely possible to detect lighting strikes with modern (and not so modern) equipment.



      Any AM receiver will "detect" lightning strikes. There are also electrometers which can detect strikes as well as the conditions before the strike actually occurs.



      Standing waves caused by resonance should also be detectable.



      A lightning strike causes a very broadband burst of radio waves. It should cause radio waves in (nearly) equal intensity up to very high frequencies (GHz and beyond.)



      It should be possible to use a spectrum analyser on the RF received from a lightning strike. Resonances would show up as peaks at particular frequencies, absorption would show up as dips.



      The frequencies are very low, though. Perhaps lower than most RF equipment is designed for.



      The patent you link to refers to resonances between wavelengths of 25 to 70 kilometers. That means frequencies between 4.3 kHz (70 km) to 12 kHz (25 km.)



      Those are more typically associated with audio frequencies.



      This makes an intersting experiment possible:



      1. Use a long wire and a ground wire to receive the signals. A small amplifier may be needed, may be not.


      2. Connect the long wire and the ground to the microphone input on the sound card of your PC


      3. Record typical noise when there is no known thunderstorm in your area.


      4. Record typical noise when there is a thunderstorm in progress.


      5. Compare the spectrums of the two different recordings, and look for peaks or dips during the thunderstorm.


      Lightning strikes in the recordings should be visible as "spikes" in the waveform view, and as broadband increases in the spectrum view.



      If the peaks are too weak to clearly see, then you may need an amplifier and maybe impedance matching to get more of a signal from your antenna. The amplifier should be fairly undemanding - a JFET preamplifier as commonly seen for microphones should work well.



      It should be fairly easy to build and use such a setup. Just a couple of wires, a PC, and some common software. Audacity work work, or Baudline. I'm sure there are many others.



      I'd personally use Baudline, and the cross correlation function to compare the recordings.



      You could also write your own software, but it is probably better to see what you can do with the available software before you write your own.



      Given that Tesla could find the resonances with the (relatively) crude measuring equipment available in his time, they ought to be fairly easy to detect with modern analysis methods.




      The above ignores the safety aspects of connecting an antenna and ground to your PC. That's a seperate problem. A long wire pointed upwards during a thunderstorm is basically an invitation for lightning to strike.



      If your house has lightning protection, and your antenna is fairly small, then it should be safe enough - the rabbit ears antenna on a portable radio doesn't attract lightning.



      A really long wire that stretched from your house a couple of hundred feet up will attract lightning.



      Radio amateur operators have equipment for dealing with that kind of problem, so there are solutions available.



      For beginning experiments, though, a small antenna should be safe enough and adequate to see if you want to continue.



      Note that you are not building an AM receiver. You are just picking up and digitizing the "RF" as it is. No diodes are needed.






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        sensitive receiving instruments arranged so as to be capable of responding to electrical disturbances created by the discharges




        A lightning strike is an enormous current flowing for very shortly. That (thanks to Ampere and Maxwell) we know to induce an electromagnetic wave with a very high bandwidth and very high power.



        So, any radio receiver these days is more than capable of "detecting" such discharges (simply by malfunctioning for a short time).



        What Tesla had was probably even simpler: Close enough to the discharge, the change in E-Field might be drastic enough to simply make a spark gap across a simple coil spark.



        Really, what about googling "lighning detection"? There's large-scale citizen science projects where people contribute their own lightning counts to a large central database.






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          sensitive receiving instruments arranged so as to be capable of responding to electrical disturbances created by the discharges




          A lightning strike is an enormous current flowing for very shortly. That (thanks to Ampere and Maxwell) we know to induce an electromagnetic wave with a very high bandwidth and very high power.



          So, any radio receiver these days is more than capable of "detecting" such discharges (simply by malfunctioning for a short time).



          What Tesla had was probably even simpler: Close enough to the discharge, the change in E-Field might be drastic enough to simply make a spark gap across a simple coil spark.



          Really, what about googling "lighning detection"? There's large-scale citizen science projects where people contribute their own lightning counts to a large central database.






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            sensitive receiving instruments arranged so as to be capable of responding to electrical disturbances created by the discharges




            A lightning strike is an enormous current flowing for very shortly. That (thanks to Ampere and Maxwell) we know to induce an electromagnetic wave with a very high bandwidth and very high power.



            So, any radio receiver these days is more than capable of "detecting" such discharges (simply by malfunctioning for a short time).



            What Tesla had was probably even simpler: Close enough to the discharge, the change in E-Field might be drastic enough to simply make a spark gap across a simple coil spark.



            Really, what about googling "lighning detection"? There's large-scale citizen science projects where people contribute their own lightning counts to a large central database.






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            sensitive receiving instruments arranged so as to be capable of responding to electrical disturbances created by the discharges




            A lightning strike is an enormous current flowing for very shortly. That (thanks to Ampere and Maxwell) we know to induce an electromagnetic wave with a very high bandwidth and very high power.



            So, any radio receiver these days is more than capable of "detecting" such discharges (simply by malfunctioning for a short time).



            What Tesla had was probably even simpler: Close enough to the discharge, the change in E-Field might be drastic enough to simply make a spark gap across a simple coil spark.



            Really, what about googling "lighning detection"? There's large-scale citizen science projects where people contribute their own lightning counts to a large central database.







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                The frequencies in question are classified as very low frequency (VLF). They are used for communication with submarines. Historically, VLF was used for some wireless telegraphy applications. For additional information you can read the very low frequency Wikipedia article and the references listed there. There are also lower frequency bands called ultra low frequency and extremely low frequency.






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                  The frequencies in question are classified as very low frequency (VLF). They are used for communication with submarines. Historically, VLF was used for some wireless telegraphy applications. For additional information you can read the very low frequency Wikipedia article and the references listed there. There are also lower frequency bands called ultra low frequency and extremely low frequency.






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                    The frequencies in question are classified as very low frequency (VLF). They are used for communication with submarines. Historically, VLF was used for some wireless telegraphy applications. For additional information you can read the very low frequency Wikipedia article and the references listed there. There are also lower frequency bands called ultra low frequency and extremely low frequency.






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                    The frequencies in question are classified as very low frequency (VLF). They are used for communication with submarines. Historically, VLF was used for some wireless telegraphy applications. For additional information you can read the very low frequency Wikipedia article and the references listed there. There are also lower frequency bands called ultra low frequency and extremely low frequency.







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                        It is entirely possible to detect lighting strikes with modern (and not so modern) equipment.



                        Any AM receiver will "detect" lightning strikes. There are also electrometers which can detect strikes as well as the conditions before the strike actually occurs.



                        Standing waves caused by resonance should also be detectable.



                        A lightning strike causes a very broadband burst of radio waves. It should cause radio waves in (nearly) equal intensity up to very high frequencies (GHz and beyond.)



                        It should be possible to use a spectrum analyser on the RF received from a lightning strike. Resonances would show up as peaks at particular frequencies, absorption would show up as dips.



                        The frequencies are very low, though. Perhaps lower than most RF equipment is designed for.



                        The patent you link to refers to resonances between wavelengths of 25 to 70 kilometers. That means frequencies between 4.3 kHz (70 km) to 12 kHz (25 km.)



                        Those are more typically associated with audio frequencies.



                        This makes an intersting experiment possible:



                        1. Use a long wire and a ground wire to receive the signals. A small amplifier may be needed, may be not.


                        2. Connect the long wire and the ground to the microphone input on the sound card of your PC


                        3. Record typical noise when there is no known thunderstorm in your area.


                        4. Record typical noise when there is a thunderstorm in progress.


                        5. Compare the spectrums of the two different recordings, and look for peaks or dips during the thunderstorm.


                        Lightning strikes in the recordings should be visible as "spikes" in the waveform view, and as broadband increases in the spectrum view.



                        If the peaks are too weak to clearly see, then you may need an amplifier and maybe impedance matching to get more of a signal from your antenna. The amplifier should be fairly undemanding - a JFET preamplifier as commonly seen for microphones should work well.



                        It should be fairly easy to build and use such a setup. Just a couple of wires, a PC, and some common software. Audacity work work, or Baudline. I'm sure there are many others.



                        I'd personally use Baudline, and the cross correlation function to compare the recordings.



                        You could also write your own software, but it is probably better to see what you can do with the available software before you write your own.



                        Given that Tesla could find the resonances with the (relatively) crude measuring equipment available in his time, they ought to be fairly easy to detect with modern analysis methods.




                        The above ignores the safety aspects of connecting an antenna and ground to your PC. That's a seperate problem. A long wire pointed upwards during a thunderstorm is basically an invitation for lightning to strike.



                        If your house has lightning protection, and your antenna is fairly small, then it should be safe enough - the rabbit ears antenna on a portable radio doesn't attract lightning.



                        A really long wire that stretched from your house a couple of hundred feet up will attract lightning.



                        Radio amateur operators have equipment for dealing with that kind of problem, so there are solutions available.



                        For beginning experiments, though, a small antenna should be safe enough and adequate to see if you want to continue.



                        Note that you are not building an AM receiver. You are just picking up and digitizing the "RF" as it is. No diodes are needed.






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                          It is entirely possible to detect lighting strikes with modern (and not so modern) equipment.



                          Any AM receiver will "detect" lightning strikes. There are also electrometers which can detect strikes as well as the conditions before the strike actually occurs.



                          Standing waves caused by resonance should also be detectable.



                          A lightning strike causes a very broadband burst of radio waves. It should cause radio waves in (nearly) equal intensity up to very high frequencies (GHz and beyond.)



                          It should be possible to use a spectrum analyser on the RF received from a lightning strike. Resonances would show up as peaks at particular frequencies, absorption would show up as dips.



                          The frequencies are very low, though. Perhaps lower than most RF equipment is designed for.



                          The patent you link to refers to resonances between wavelengths of 25 to 70 kilometers. That means frequencies between 4.3 kHz (70 km) to 12 kHz (25 km.)



                          Those are more typically associated with audio frequencies.



                          This makes an intersting experiment possible:



                          1. Use a long wire and a ground wire to receive the signals. A small amplifier may be needed, may be not.


                          2. Connect the long wire and the ground to the microphone input on the sound card of your PC


                          3. Record typical noise when there is no known thunderstorm in your area.


                          4. Record typical noise when there is a thunderstorm in progress.


                          5. Compare the spectrums of the two different recordings, and look for peaks or dips during the thunderstorm.


                          Lightning strikes in the recordings should be visible as "spikes" in the waveform view, and as broadband increases in the spectrum view.



                          If the peaks are too weak to clearly see, then you may need an amplifier and maybe impedance matching to get more of a signal from your antenna. The amplifier should be fairly undemanding - a JFET preamplifier as commonly seen for microphones should work well.



                          It should be fairly easy to build and use such a setup. Just a couple of wires, a PC, and some common software. Audacity work work, or Baudline. I'm sure there are many others.



                          I'd personally use Baudline, and the cross correlation function to compare the recordings.



                          You could also write your own software, but it is probably better to see what you can do with the available software before you write your own.



                          Given that Tesla could find the resonances with the (relatively) crude measuring equipment available in his time, they ought to be fairly easy to detect with modern analysis methods.




                          The above ignores the safety aspects of connecting an antenna and ground to your PC. That's a seperate problem. A long wire pointed upwards during a thunderstorm is basically an invitation for lightning to strike.



                          If your house has lightning protection, and your antenna is fairly small, then it should be safe enough - the rabbit ears antenna on a portable radio doesn't attract lightning.



                          A really long wire that stretched from your house a couple of hundred feet up will attract lightning.



                          Radio amateur operators have equipment for dealing with that kind of problem, so there are solutions available.



                          For beginning experiments, though, a small antenna should be safe enough and adequate to see if you want to continue.



                          Note that you are not building an AM receiver. You are just picking up and digitizing the "RF" as it is. No diodes are needed.






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                            It is entirely possible to detect lighting strikes with modern (and not so modern) equipment.



                            Any AM receiver will "detect" lightning strikes. There are also electrometers which can detect strikes as well as the conditions before the strike actually occurs.



                            Standing waves caused by resonance should also be detectable.



                            A lightning strike causes a very broadband burst of radio waves. It should cause radio waves in (nearly) equal intensity up to very high frequencies (GHz and beyond.)



                            It should be possible to use a spectrum analyser on the RF received from a lightning strike. Resonances would show up as peaks at particular frequencies, absorption would show up as dips.



                            The frequencies are very low, though. Perhaps lower than most RF equipment is designed for.



                            The patent you link to refers to resonances between wavelengths of 25 to 70 kilometers. That means frequencies between 4.3 kHz (70 km) to 12 kHz (25 km.)



                            Those are more typically associated with audio frequencies.



                            This makes an intersting experiment possible:



                            1. Use a long wire and a ground wire to receive the signals. A small amplifier may be needed, may be not.


                            2. Connect the long wire and the ground to the microphone input on the sound card of your PC


                            3. Record typical noise when there is no known thunderstorm in your area.


                            4. Record typical noise when there is a thunderstorm in progress.


                            5. Compare the spectrums of the two different recordings, and look for peaks or dips during the thunderstorm.


                            Lightning strikes in the recordings should be visible as "spikes" in the waveform view, and as broadband increases in the spectrum view.



                            If the peaks are too weak to clearly see, then you may need an amplifier and maybe impedance matching to get more of a signal from your antenna. The amplifier should be fairly undemanding - a JFET preamplifier as commonly seen for microphones should work well.



                            It should be fairly easy to build and use such a setup. Just a couple of wires, a PC, and some common software. Audacity work work, or Baudline. I'm sure there are many others.



                            I'd personally use Baudline, and the cross correlation function to compare the recordings.



                            You could also write your own software, but it is probably better to see what you can do with the available software before you write your own.



                            Given that Tesla could find the resonances with the (relatively) crude measuring equipment available in his time, they ought to be fairly easy to detect with modern analysis methods.




                            The above ignores the safety aspects of connecting an antenna and ground to your PC. That's a seperate problem. A long wire pointed upwards during a thunderstorm is basically an invitation for lightning to strike.



                            If your house has lightning protection, and your antenna is fairly small, then it should be safe enough - the rabbit ears antenna on a portable radio doesn't attract lightning.



                            A really long wire that stretched from your house a couple of hundred feet up will attract lightning.



                            Radio amateur operators have equipment for dealing with that kind of problem, so there are solutions available.



                            For beginning experiments, though, a small antenna should be safe enough and adequate to see if you want to continue.



                            Note that you are not building an AM receiver. You are just picking up and digitizing the "RF" as it is. No diodes are needed.






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                            It is entirely possible to detect lighting strikes with modern (and not so modern) equipment.



                            Any AM receiver will "detect" lightning strikes. There are also electrometers which can detect strikes as well as the conditions before the strike actually occurs.



                            Standing waves caused by resonance should also be detectable.



                            A lightning strike causes a very broadband burst of radio waves. It should cause radio waves in (nearly) equal intensity up to very high frequencies (GHz and beyond.)



                            It should be possible to use a spectrum analyser on the RF received from a lightning strike. Resonances would show up as peaks at particular frequencies, absorption would show up as dips.



                            The frequencies are very low, though. Perhaps lower than most RF equipment is designed for.



                            The patent you link to refers to resonances between wavelengths of 25 to 70 kilometers. That means frequencies between 4.3 kHz (70 km) to 12 kHz (25 km.)



                            Those are more typically associated with audio frequencies.



                            This makes an intersting experiment possible:



                            1. Use a long wire and a ground wire to receive the signals. A small amplifier may be needed, may be not.


                            2. Connect the long wire and the ground to the microphone input on the sound card of your PC


                            3. Record typical noise when there is no known thunderstorm in your area.


                            4. Record typical noise when there is a thunderstorm in progress.


                            5. Compare the spectrums of the two different recordings, and look for peaks or dips during the thunderstorm.


                            Lightning strikes in the recordings should be visible as "spikes" in the waveform view, and as broadband increases in the spectrum view.



                            If the peaks are too weak to clearly see, then you may need an amplifier and maybe impedance matching to get more of a signal from your antenna. The amplifier should be fairly undemanding - a JFET preamplifier as commonly seen for microphones should work well.



                            It should be fairly easy to build and use such a setup. Just a couple of wires, a PC, and some common software. Audacity work work, or Baudline. I'm sure there are many others.



                            I'd personally use Baudline, and the cross correlation function to compare the recordings.



                            You could also write your own software, but it is probably better to see what you can do with the available software before you write your own.



                            Given that Tesla could find the resonances with the (relatively) crude measuring equipment available in his time, they ought to be fairly easy to detect with modern analysis methods.




                            The above ignores the safety aspects of connecting an antenna and ground to your PC. That's a seperate problem. A long wire pointed upwards during a thunderstorm is basically an invitation for lightning to strike.



                            If your house has lightning protection, and your antenna is fairly small, then it should be safe enough - the rabbit ears antenna on a portable radio doesn't attract lightning.



                            A really long wire that stretched from your house a couple of hundred feet up will attract lightning.



                            Radio amateur operators have equipment for dealing with that kind of problem, so there are solutions available.



                            For beginning experiments, though, a small antenna should be safe enough and adequate to see if you want to continue.



                            Note that you are not building an AM receiver. You are just picking up and digitizing the "RF" as it is. No diodes are needed.







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