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What are some nice/clever ways to introduce the tonic's dominant seventh chord?
What scales can I play over a A 13 flat ninth chord?What chord is this and when is it the dominant?Scale degree in minor keyHarmonic analysis of “Walk this Way” by AerosmithWhat does “dominant” mean in music?Tips on Memorizing Chords that are in Different ScalesDominant seventh vs Dominant functionUse of the VI and v chord in a minor key, subdominant and dominant functional use?When was the dominant ninth chord incorporated in music theory?Is the secondary dominant the same if my target chord is a major or minor of the same root?
I'm in C minor and want to modulate to its subdominant key of F minor. One way to do this is to introduce the tonic flat seventh chord C-E-G-Bb, which is the dominant seventh chord of F minor. Other than outright juxtaposing this chord next to the tonic triad of C minor, what are some clever ways of 'smuggling' Bb into my chord progression? Something with the descending minor scale perhaps?
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I'm in C minor and want to modulate to its subdominant key of F minor. One way to do this is to introduce the tonic flat seventh chord C-E-G-Bb, which is the dominant seventh chord of F minor. Other than outright juxtaposing this chord next to the tonic triad of C minor, what are some clever ways of 'smuggling' Bb into my chord progression? Something with the descending minor scale perhaps?
theory chords chord-progressions modulation
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My own mixture of baroque and romantic. ;-) Nothing too outlandish, please.
– Kim Fierens
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The problem is that B flat is already a legitimate note in C minor. If you want an example of loads of B flats in a C minor piece, there's Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance March No. 3 in C Minor. Granted, he never goes to F minor in that piece, and he does juxtapose a Cm chord with a C7 chord in that piece.
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I'm in C minor and want to modulate to its subdominant key of F minor. One way to do this is to introduce the tonic flat seventh chord C-E-G-Bb, which is the dominant seventh chord of F minor. Other than outright juxtaposing this chord next to the tonic triad of C minor, what are some clever ways of 'smuggling' Bb into my chord progression? Something with the descending minor scale perhaps?
theory chords chord-progressions modulation
I'm in C minor and want to modulate to its subdominant key of F minor. One way to do this is to introduce the tonic flat seventh chord C-E-G-Bb, which is the dominant seventh chord of F minor. Other than outright juxtaposing this chord next to the tonic triad of C minor, what are some clever ways of 'smuggling' Bb into my chord progression? Something with the descending minor scale perhaps?
theory chords chord-progressions modulation
theory chords chord-progressions modulation
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What's the style? This affects how exotic suggestions can be.
– replete
3 hours ago
My own mixture of baroque and romantic. ;-) Nothing too outlandish, please.
– Kim Fierens
3 hours ago
1
The problem is that B flat is already a legitimate note in C minor. If you want an example of loads of B flats in a C minor piece, there's Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance March No. 3 in C Minor. Granted, he never goes to F minor in that piece, and he does juxtapose a Cm chord with a C7 chord in that piece.
– Dekkadeci
3 hours ago
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1
What's the style? This affects how exotic suggestions can be.
– replete
3 hours ago
My own mixture of baroque and romantic. ;-) Nothing too outlandish, please.
– Kim Fierens
3 hours ago
1
The problem is that B flat is already a legitimate note in C minor. If you want an example of loads of B flats in a C minor piece, there's Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance March No. 3 in C Minor. Granted, he never goes to F minor in that piece, and he does juxtapose a Cm chord with a C7 chord in that piece.
– Dekkadeci
3 hours ago
1
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What's the style? This affects how exotic suggestions can be.
– replete
3 hours ago
What's the style? This affects how exotic suggestions can be.
– replete
3 hours ago
My own mixture of baroque and romantic. ;-) Nothing too outlandish, please.
– Kim Fierens
3 hours ago
My own mixture of baroque and romantic. ;-) Nothing too outlandish, please.
– Kim Fierens
3 hours ago
1
1
The problem is that B flat is already a legitimate note in C minor. If you want an example of loads of B flats in a C minor piece, there's Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance March No. 3 in C Minor. Granted, he never goes to F minor in that piece, and he does juxtapose a Cm chord with a C7 chord in that piece.
– Dekkadeci
3 hours ago
The problem is that B flat is already a legitimate note in C minor. If you want an example of loads of B flats in a C minor piece, there's Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance March No. 3 in C Minor. Granted, he never goes to F minor in that piece, and he does juxtapose a Cm chord with a C7 chord in that piece.
– Dekkadeci
3 hours ago
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Here are some simple ideas for getting from C minor to F minor without anything too outlandish. Obviously these are schematic. Since the dominant seventh chord is about as unsurprising as it gets, if you want to 'smuggle' the modulation in you have to go somewhere else first. The first example is about as simple as it gets without introducing the dominant seventh directly. The second feels more like it's going to F major, so F minor can be a slight surprise.
Thanks a ton! Exactly what I was looking for.
– Kim Fierens
2 hours ago
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You don't need to smuggle Bb, it's in C minor already. The note that needs to be introduced is E natural.
If you want something a bit less obvious, try Cm, Bb, Bbm, C7b9, Fm.
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One possibility is to go the stereotypical Bach route: prepare a normal cadence in the tonic C minor, but instead of cadencing on C minor, cadence onto a C7 chord.
The following example is in C major, but you still get the idea. Hear it here.
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Here are some simple ideas for getting from C minor to F minor without anything too outlandish. Obviously these are schematic. Since the dominant seventh chord is about as unsurprising as it gets, if you want to 'smuggle' the modulation in you have to go somewhere else first. The first example is about as simple as it gets without introducing the dominant seventh directly. The second feels more like it's going to F major, so F minor can be a slight surprise.
Thanks a ton! Exactly what I was looking for.
– Kim Fierens
2 hours ago
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Here are some simple ideas for getting from C minor to F minor without anything too outlandish. Obviously these are schematic. Since the dominant seventh chord is about as unsurprising as it gets, if you want to 'smuggle' the modulation in you have to go somewhere else first. The first example is about as simple as it gets without introducing the dominant seventh directly. The second feels more like it's going to F major, so F minor can be a slight surprise.
Thanks a ton! Exactly what I was looking for.
– Kim Fierens
2 hours ago
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Here are some simple ideas for getting from C minor to F minor without anything too outlandish. Obviously these are schematic. Since the dominant seventh chord is about as unsurprising as it gets, if you want to 'smuggle' the modulation in you have to go somewhere else first. The first example is about as simple as it gets without introducing the dominant seventh directly. The second feels more like it's going to F major, so F minor can be a slight surprise.
Here are some simple ideas for getting from C minor to F minor without anything too outlandish. Obviously these are schematic. Since the dominant seventh chord is about as unsurprising as it gets, if you want to 'smuggle' the modulation in you have to go somewhere else first. The first example is about as simple as it gets without introducing the dominant seventh directly. The second feels more like it's going to F major, so F minor can be a slight surprise.
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Thanks a ton! Exactly what I was looking for.
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Thanks a ton! Exactly what I was looking for.
– Kim Fierens
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Thanks a ton! Exactly what I was looking for.
– Kim Fierens
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Thanks a ton! Exactly what I was looking for.
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You don't need to smuggle Bb, it's in C minor already. The note that needs to be introduced is E natural.
If you want something a bit less obvious, try Cm, Bb, Bbm, C7b9, Fm.
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You don't need to smuggle Bb, it's in C minor already. The note that needs to be introduced is E natural.
If you want something a bit less obvious, try Cm, Bb, Bbm, C7b9, Fm.
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You don't need to smuggle Bb, it's in C minor already. The note that needs to be introduced is E natural.
If you want something a bit less obvious, try Cm, Bb, Bbm, C7b9, Fm.
You don't need to smuggle Bb, it's in C minor already. The note that needs to be introduced is E natural.
If you want something a bit less obvious, try Cm, Bb, Bbm, C7b9, Fm.
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One possibility is to go the stereotypical Bach route: prepare a normal cadence in the tonic C minor, but instead of cadencing on C minor, cadence onto a C7 chord.
The following example is in C major, but you still get the idea. Hear it here.
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One possibility is to go the stereotypical Bach route: prepare a normal cadence in the tonic C minor, but instead of cadencing on C minor, cadence onto a C7 chord.
The following example is in C major, but you still get the idea. Hear it here.
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One possibility is to go the stereotypical Bach route: prepare a normal cadence in the tonic C minor, but instead of cadencing on C minor, cadence onto a C7 chord.
The following example is in C major, but you still get the idea. Hear it here.
One possibility is to go the stereotypical Bach route: prepare a normal cadence in the tonic C minor, but instead of cadencing on C minor, cadence onto a C7 chord.
The following example is in C major, but you still get the idea. Hear it here.
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What's the style? This affects how exotic suggestions can be.
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My own mixture of baroque and romantic. ;-) Nothing too outlandish, please.
– Kim Fierens
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The problem is that B flat is already a legitimate note in C minor. If you want an example of loads of B flats in a C minor piece, there's Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance March No. 3 in C Minor. Granted, he never goes to F minor in that piece, and he does juxtapose a Cm chord with a C7 chord in that piece.
– Dekkadeci
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