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Can the Great Weapon Master feat's “Power Attack” apply to attacks from the Spiritual Weapon spell?
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The Great Weapon Master feat (PHB, p. 167) says:
- Before you make a melee attack with a heavy weapon that you are proficient with, you can choose to take a -5 penalty to the attack roll. If the attack hits, you add +10 to the attack's damage.
The Spiritual Weapon spell description reads:
You create a floating, spectral weapon within range that lasts for the duration or until you cast this spell again. When you cast the spell, you can make a melee spell attack against a creature within 5 feet of the weapon. [...] The weapon can take whatever form you choose.
Does the form determine the stats of the weapon (and therefore grant the Heavy attribute that allows the listed GWM benefit to be used), or is it just a cosmetic decision?
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The Great Weapon Master feat (PHB, p. 167) says:
- Before you make a melee attack with a heavy weapon that you are proficient with, you can choose to take a -5 penalty to the attack roll. If the attack hits, you add +10 to the attack's damage.
The Spiritual Weapon spell description reads:
You create a floating, spectral weapon within range that lasts for the duration or until you cast this spell again. When you cast the spell, you can make a melee spell attack against a creature within 5 feet of the weapon. [...] The weapon can take whatever form you choose.
Does the form determine the stats of the weapon (and therefore grant the Heavy attribute that allows the listed GWM benefit to be used), or is it just a cosmetic decision?
dnd-5e spells feats weapons attack
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@Blake Close but not duplicate. The other question is about spell attack versus weapon attack. This question pertains to melee attacks (the spell vs weapon issue is irrelevant). The rules for Making an Attack state "A few spells also involve making a melee attack."
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The Great Weapon Master feat (PHB, p. 167) says:
- Before you make a melee attack with a heavy weapon that you are proficient with, you can choose to take a -5 penalty to the attack roll. If the attack hits, you add +10 to the attack's damage.
The Spiritual Weapon spell description reads:
You create a floating, spectral weapon within range that lasts for the duration or until you cast this spell again. When you cast the spell, you can make a melee spell attack against a creature within 5 feet of the weapon. [...] The weapon can take whatever form you choose.
Does the form determine the stats of the weapon (and therefore grant the Heavy attribute that allows the listed GWM benefit to be used), or is it just a cosmetic decision?
dnd-5e spells feats weapons attack
edited 4 mins ago
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asked 47 mins ago
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The Great Weapon Master feat (PHB, p. 167) says:
- Before you make a melee attack with a heavy weapon that you are proficient with, you can choose to take a -5 penalty to the attack roll. If the attack hits, you add +10 to the attack's damage.
The Spiritual Weapon spell description reads:
You create a floating, spectral weapon within range that lasts for the duration or until you cast this spell again. When you cast the spell, you can make a melee spell attack against a creature within 5 feet of the weapon. [...] The weapon can take whatever form you choose.
Does the form determine the stats of the weapon (and therefore grant the Heavy attribute that allows the listed GWM benefit to be used), or is it just a cosmetic decision?
dnd-5e spells feats weapons attack
dnd-5e spells feats weapons attack
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@Blake Close but not duplicate. The other question is about spell attack versus weapon attack. This question pertains to melee attacks (the spell vs weapon issue is irrelevant). The rules for Making an Attack state "A few spells also involve making a melee attack."
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@Blake Close but not duplicate. The other question is about spell attack versus weapon attack. This question pertains to melee attacks (the spell vs weapon issue is irrelevant). The rules for Making an Attack state "A few spells also involve making a melee attack."
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@Blake Close but not duplicate. The other question is about spell attack versus weapon attack. This question pertains to melee attacks (the spell vs weapon issue is irrelevant). The rules for Making an Attack state "A few spells also involve making a melee attack."
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– Rykara
39 mins ago
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@Blake Close but not duplicate. The other question is about spell attack versus weapon attack. This question pertains to melee attacks (the spell vs weapon issue is irrelevant). The rules for Making an Attack state "A few spells also involve making a melee attack."
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Unfortunately, Spiritual Weapon only takes the form of a weapon, not its statistics. So the spiritual weapon does not gain attributes like Heavy, Reach, etc. It just looks like whatever weapon you choose. (Note that the damage dice are independent of the original weapon as well.)
answered 42 mins ago
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That was a thought I had, too, but I realized that Warlock's Pact of the Blade says " You can choose the form that this melee weapon takes each time you create it." It never explicitly calls out stats either, but the implication is that the stats would match the chosen form. One would assume the two summoned weapons would be treated in the same way, barring an explicit rule that contradicts this assumption.
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@Rykara The intent is clearly that spiritual weapon would not work with GWM, but you bring up an intriguing point there.
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@Rykara: The key might be that the details of the weapons are only given in the weapons table/section, so the stats of those weapons must be there; in contrast, spiritual weapon tells you the damage it does and how it works, overruling any specific stats regarding such weapons.
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The Attack of Spiritual Weapon is not a "Melee Attack", it's a "Melee Spell Attack"
This difference might seem semantic, but it's important for this situation. When you use the Bonus Action conferred by Spiritual Weapon, it doesn't call for a Melee Attack, but a Melee Spell Attack:
[...] When you cast the spell, you can make a melee spell attack against a creature within 5 feet of the weapon. On a hit, the target takes force damage equal to 1d8 + your spellcasting ability modifier.
—Spiritual Weapon, Player's Handbook, pg. 278
The counter example is something like Green Flame Blade, which expressly says that the caster makes a Melee Attack as part of the Action:
As part of the action used to cast this spell, you must make a melee attack with a weapon against one creature within the spell's range, otherwise the spell fails.
—Green Flame Blade, Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide, pg. 143
With a spell like Green Flame Blade, if used with a Heavy weapon, it would qualify for this kind of use of the Great Weapon Mastery feat.
So because Spiritual Weapon calls for a different kind of attack, it does not qualify for this feat.
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A melee spell attack is a melee attack.
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– Chris Starnes
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I agree. This is a melee attack. But it is not a melee attack with a weapon (the same way a wizard who casts mage armor on himself isn't wearing armor).
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Unfortunately, Spiritual Weapon only takes the form of a weapon, not its statistics. So the spiritual weapon does not gain attributes like Heavy, Reach, etc. It just looks like whatever weapon you choose. (Note that the damage dice are independent of the original weapon as well.)
answered 42 mins ago
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That was a thought I had, too, but I realized that Warlock's Pact of the Blade says " You can choose the form that this melee weapon takes each time you create it." It never explicitly calls out stats either, but the implication is that the stats would match the chosen form. One would assume the two summoned weapons would be treated in the same way, barring an explicit rule that contradicts this assumption.
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– Rykara
32 mins ago
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@Rykara The intent is clearly that spiritual weapon would not work with GWM, but you bring up an intriguing point there.
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– Chris Starnes
4 mins ago
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@Rykara: The key might be that the details of the weapons are only given in the weapons table/section, so the stats of those weapons must be there; in contrast, spiritual weapon tells you the damage it does and how it works, overruling any specific stats regarding such weapons.
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– V2Blast
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No
Unfortunately, Spiritual Weapon only takes the form of a weapon, not its statistics. So the spiritual weapon does not gain attributes like Heavy, Reach, etc. It just looks like whatever weapon you choose. (Note that the damage dice are independent of the original weapon as well.)
answered 42 mins ago
Nicolas BudigNicolas Budig
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That was a thought I had, too, but I realized that Warlock's Pact of the Blade says " You can choose the form that this melee weapon takes each time you create it." It never explicitly calls out stats either, but the implication is that the stats would match the chosen form. One would assume the two summoned weapons would be treated in the same way, barring an explicit rule that contradicts this assumption.
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– Rykara
32 mins ago
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@Rykara The intent is clearly that spiritual weapon would not work with GWM, but you bring up an intriguing point there.
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– Chris Starnes
4 mins ago
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@Rykara: The key might be that the details of the weapons are only given in the weapons table/section, so the stats of those weapons must be there; in contrast, spiritual weapon tells you the damage it does and how it works, overruling any specific stats regarding such weapons.
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– V2Blast
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No
Unfortunately, Spiritual Weapon only takes the form of a weapon, not its statistics. So the spiritual weapon does not gain attributes like Heavy, Reach, etc. It just looks like whatever weapon you choose. (Note that the damage dice are independent of the original weapon as well.)
answered 42 mins ago
Nicolas BudigNicolas Budig
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No
Unfortunately, Spiritual Weapon only takes the form of a weapon, not its statistics. So the spiritual weapon does not gain attributes like Heavy, Reach, etc. It just looks like whatever weapon you choose. (Note that the damage dice are independent of the original weapon as well.)
answered 42 mins ago
Nicolas BudigNicolas Budig
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That was a thought I had, too, but I realized that Warlock's Pact of the Blade says " You can choose the form that this melee weapon takes each time you create it." It never explicitly calls out stats either, but the implication is that the stats would match the chosen form. One would assume the two summoned weapons would be treated in the same way, barring an explicit rule that contradicts this assumption.
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– Rykara
32 mins ago
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@Rykara The intent is clearly that spiritual weapon would not work with GWM, but you bring up an intriguing point there.
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– Chris Starnes
4 mins ago
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@Rykara: The key might be that the details of the weapons are only given in the weapons table/section, so the stats of those weapons must be there; in contrast, spiritual weapon tells you the damage it does and how it works, overruling any specific stats regarding such weapons.
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– V2Blast
2 mins ago
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That was a thought I had, too, but I realized that Warlock's Pact of the Blade says " You can choose the form that this melee weapon takes each time you create it." It never explicitly calls out stats either, but the implication is that the stats would match the chosen form. One would assume the two summoned weapons would be treated in the same way, barring an explicit rule that contradicts this assumption.
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– Rykara
32 mins ago
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@Rykara The intent is clearly that spiritual weapon would not work with GWM, but you bring up an intriguing point there.
$endgroup$
– Chris Starnes
4 mins ago
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@Rykara: The key might be that the details of the weapons are only given in the weapons table/section, so the stats of those weapons must be there; in contrast, spiritual weapon tells you the damage it does and how it works, overruling any specific stats regarding such weapons.
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– V2Blast
2 mins ago
1
1
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That was a thought I had, too, but I realized that Warlock's Pact of the Blade says " You can choose the form that this melee weapon takes each time you create it." It never explicitly calls out stats either, but the implication is that the stats would match the chosen form. One would assume the two summoned weapons would be treated in the same way, barring an explicit rule that contradicts this assumption.
$endgroup$
– Rykara
32 mins ago
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That was a thought I had, too, but I realized that Warlock's Pact of the Blade says " You can choose the form that this melee weapon takes each time you create it." It never explicitly calls out stats either, but the implication is that the stats would match the chosen form. One would assume the two summoned weapons would be treated in the same way, barring an explicit rule that contradicts this assumption.
$endgroup$
– Rykara
32 mins ago
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@Rykara The intent is clearly that spiritual weapon would not work with GWM, but you bring up an intriguing point there.
$endgroup$
– Chris Starnes
4 mins ago
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@Rykara The intent is clearly that spiritual weapon would not work with GWM, but you bring up an intriguing point there.
$endgroup$
– Chris Starnes
4 mins ago
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@Rykara: The key might be that the details of the weapons are only given in the weapons table/section, so the stats of those weapons must be there; in contrast, spiritual weapon tells you the damage it does and how it works, overruling any specific stats regarding such weapons.
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
2 mins ago
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@Rykara: The key might be that the details of the weapons are only given in the weapons table/section, so the stats of those weapons must be there; in contrast, spiritual weapon tells you the damage it does and how it works, overruling any specific stats regarding such weapons.
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
2 mins ago
add a comment |
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The Attack of Spiritual Weapon is not a "Melee Attack", it's a "Melee Spell Attack"
This difference might seem semantic, but it's important for this situation. When you use the Bonus Action conferred by Spiritual Weapon, it doesn't call for a Melee Attack, but a Melee Spell Attack:
[...] When you cast the spell, you can make a melee spell attack against a creature within 5 feet of the weapon. On a hit, the target takes force damage equal to 1d8 + your spellcasting ability modifier.
—Spiritual Weapon, Player's Handbook, pg. 278
The counter example is something like Green Flame Blade, which expressly says that the caster makes a Melee Attack as part of the Action:
As part of the action used to cast this spell, you must make a melee attack with a weapon against one creature within the spell's range, otherwise the spell fails.
—Green Flame Blade, Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide, pg. 143
With a spell like Green Flame Blade, if used with a Heavy weapon, it would qualify for this kind of use of the Great Weapon Mastery feat.
So because Spiritual Weapon calls for a different kind of attack, it does not qualify for this feat.
answered 23 mins ago
XiremaXirema
24.4k269144
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A melee spell attack is a melee attack.
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– Chris Starnes
8 mins ago
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I agree. This is a melee attack. But it is not a melee attack with a weapon (the same way a wizard who casts mage armor on himself isn't wearing armor).
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– Gandalfmeansme
1 min ago
add a comment |
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The Attack of Spiritual Weapon is not a "Melee Attack", it's a "Melee Spell Attack"
This difference might seem semantic, but it's important for this situation. When you use the Bonus Action conferred by Spiritual Weapon, it doesn't call for a Melee Attack, but a Melee Spell Attack:
[...] When you cast the spell, you can make a melee spell attack against a creature within 5 feet of the weapon. On a hit, the target takes force damage equal to 1d8 + your spellcasting ability modifier.
—Spiritual Weapon, Player's Handbook, pg. 278
The counter example is something like Green Flame Blade, which expressly says that the caster makes a Melee Attack as part of the Action:
As part of the action used to cast this spell, you must make a melee attack with a weapon against one creature within the spell's range, otherwise the spell fails.
—Green Flame Blade, Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide, pg. 143
With a spell like Green Flame Blade, if used with a Heavy weapon, it would qualify for this kind of use of the Great Weapon Mastery feat.
So because Spiritual Weapon calls for a different kind of attack, it does not qualify for this feat.
answered 23 mins ago
XiremaXirema
24.4k269144
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
A melee spell attack is a melee attack.
$endgroup$
– Chris Starnes
8 mins ago
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I agree. This is a melee attack. But it is not a melee attack with a weapon (the same way a wizard who casts mage armor on himself isn't wearing armor).
$endgroup$
– Gandalfmeansme
1 min ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The Attack of Spiritual Weapon is not a "Melee Attack", it's a "Melee Spell Attack"
This difference might seem semantic, but it's important for this situation. When you use the Bonus Action conferred by Spiritual Weapon, it doesn't call for a Melee Attack, but a Melee Spell Attack:
[...] When you cast the spell, you can make a melee spell attack against a creature within 5 feet of the weapon. On a hit, the target takes force damage equal to 1d8 + your spellcasting ability modifier.
—Spiritual Weapon, Player's Handbook, pg. 278
The counter example is something like Green Flame Blade, which expressly says that the caster makes a Melee Attack as part of the Action:
As part of the action used to cast this spell, you must make a melee attack with a weapon against one creature within the spell's range, otherwise the spell fails.
—Green Flame Blade, Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide, pg. 143
With a spell like Green Flame Blade, if used with a Heavy weapon, it would qualify for this kind of use of the Great Weapon Mastery feat.
So because Spiritual Weapon calls for a different kind of attack, it does not qualify for this feat.
answered 23 mins ago
XiremaXirema
24.4k269144
$endgroup$
The Attack of Spiritual Weapon is not a "Melee Attack", it's a "Melee Spell Attack"
This difference might seem semantic, but it's important for this situation. When you use the Bonus Action conferred by Spiritual Weapon, it doesn't call for a Melee Attack, but a Melee Spell Attack:
[...] When you cast the spell, you can make a melee spell attack against a creature within 5 feet of the weapon. On a hit, the target takes force damage equal to 1d8 + your spellcasting ability modifier.
—Spiritual Weapon, Player's Handbook, pg. 278
The counter example is something like Green Flame Blade, which expressly says that the caster makes a Melee Attack as part of the Action:
As part of the action used to cast this spell, you must make a melee attack with a weapon against one creature within the spell's range, otherwise the spell fails.
—Green Flame Blade, Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide, pg. 143
With a spell like Green Flame Blade, if used with a Heavy weapon, it would qualify for this kind of use of the Great Weapon Mastery feat.
So because Spiritual Weapon calls for a different kind of attack, it does not qualify for this feat.
answered 23 mins ago
XiremaXirema
24.4k269144
answered 23 mins ago
XiremaXirema
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answered 23 mins ago
XiremaXirema
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answered 23 mins ago
XiremaXirema
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A melee spell attack is a melee attack.
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– Chris Starnes
8 mins ago
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I agree. This is a melee attack. But it is not a melee attack with a weapon (the same way a wizard who casts mage armor on himself isn't wearing armor).
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– Gandalfmeansme
1 min ago
add a comment |
1
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A melee spell attack is a melee attack.
$endgroup$
– Chris Starnes
8 mins ago
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I agree. This is a melee attack. But it is not a melee attack with a weapon (the same way a wizard who casts mage armor on himself isn't wearing armor).
$endgroup$
– Gandalfmeansme
1 min ago
1
1
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A melee spell attack is a melee attack.
$endgroup$
– Chris Starnes
8 mins ago
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A melee spell attack is a melee attack.
$endgroup$
– Chris Starnes
8 mins ago
$begingroup$
I agree. This is a melee attack. But it is not a melee attack with a weapon (the same way a wizard who casts mage armor on himself isn't wearing armor).
$endgroup$
– Gandalfmeansme
1 min ago
$begingroup$
I agree. This is a melee attack. But it is not a melee attack with a weapon (the same way a wizard who casts mage armor on himself isn't wearing armor).
$endgroup$
– Gandalfmeansme
1 min ago
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@Blake Close but not duplicate. The other question is about spell attack versus weapon attack. This question pertains to melee attacks (the spell vs weapon issue is irrelevant). The rules for Making an Attack state "A few spells also involve making a melee attack."
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– Rykara
39 mins ago