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I want to know how Python knows (if it knows) if a value-type object is already stored in its memory (and also knows where it is).



For this code, when assigning the value 1 for b, how does it know that the value 1 is already in its memory and stores its reference in b?



>>> a = 1
>>> b = 1
>>> a is b
True









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  • Use print(hex(id(b))) to check memory address for b

    – Yusufsn
    21 mins ago












  • >>> hex(id(b))'0x7ffe705ee350' >>> hex(id(a)) '0x7ffe705ee350'

    – Just A Lone
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  • the values are the same

    – Just A Lone
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    If two variables refer to the same value between -5 and 256 (as opposed to use) then by definition there is only one object.

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    @Yusufsn No. For bigger integers (>256) it's not true.

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I want to know how Python knows (if it knows) if a value-type object is already stored in its memory (and also knows where it is).



For this code, when assigning the value 1 for b, how does it know that the value 1 is already in its memory and stores its reference in b?



>>> a = 1
>>> b = 1
>>> a is b
True









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  • Use print(hex(id(b))) to check memory address for b

    – Yusufsn
    21 mins ago












  • >>> hex(id(b))'0x7ffe705ee350' >>> hex(id(a)) '0x7ffe705ee350'

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  • the values are the same

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    If two variables refer to the same value between -5 and 256 (as opposed to use) then by definition there is only one object.

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    @Yusufsn No. For bigger integers (>256) it's not true.

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I want to know how Python knows (if it knows) if a value-type object is already stored in its memory (and also knows where it is).



For this code, when assigning the value 1 for b, how does it know that the value 1 is already in its memory and stores its reference in b?



>>> a = 1
>>> b = 1
>>> a is b
True









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For this code, when assigning the value 1 for b, how does it know that the value 1 is already in its memory and stores its reference in b?



>>> a = 1
>>> b = 1
>>> a is b
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  • Use print(hex(id(b))) to check memory address for b

    – Yusufsn
    21 mins ago












  • >>> hex(id(b))'0x7ffe705ee350' >>> hex(id(a)) '0x7ffe705ee350'

    – Just A Lone
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  • the values are the same

    – Just A Lone
    19 mins ago






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    If two variables refer to the same value between -5 and 256 (as opposed to use) then by definition there is only one object.

    – Yusufsn
    18 mins ago







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    @Yusufsn No. For bigger integers (>256) it's not true.

    – ajnLJA-0184
    13 mins ago

















  • Use print(hex(id(b))) to check memory address for b

    – Yusufsn
    21 mins ago












  • >>> hex(id(b))'0x7ffe705ee350' >>> hex(id(a)) '0x7ffe705ee350'

    – Just A Lone
    19 mins ago











  • the values are the same

    – Just A Lone
    19 mins ago






  • 1





    If two variables refer to the same value between -5 and 256 (as opposed to use) then by definition there is only one object.

    – Yusufsn
    18 mins ago







  • 1





    @Yusufsn No. For bigger integers (>256) it's not true.

    – ajnLJA-0184
    13 mins ago
















Use print(hex(id(b))) to check memory address for b

– Yusufsn
21 mins ago






Use print(hex(id(b))) to check memory address for b

– Yusufsn
21 mins ago














>>> hex(id(b))'0x7ffe705ee350' >>> hex(id(a)) '0x7ffe705ee350'

– Just A Lone
19 mins ago





>>> hex(id(b))'0x7ffe705ee350' >>> hex(id(a)) '0x7ffe705ee350'

– Just A Lone
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the values are the same

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the values are the same

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If two variables refer to the same value between -5 and 256 (as opposed to use) then by definition there is only one object.

– Yusufsn
18 mins ago






If two variables refer to the same value between -5 and 256 (as opposed to use) then by definition there is only one object.

– Yusufsn
18 mins ago





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@Yusufsn No. For bigger integers (>256) it's not true.

– ajnLJA-0184
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@Yusufsn No. For bigger integers (>256) it's not true.

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Python uses shared small integers to help quick access. Integers range from [-5, 256] already exists in memory, so if you check the address, they are the same. However, for larger integers, it's not true.



a = 10e5
b = 10e5
a is b # False


Wait, what? If you check the address of the numbers, you'll find something interesting:



a = 1
b = 1
id(a) # 4463034512
id(b) # 4463034512

a = 257
b = 257
id(a) # 4642585200
id(b) # 4642585712


It's called integer cache. You can read more about the integer cache here: https://wsvincent.com/python-wat-integer-cache/




“The current implementation keeps an array of integer objects for all
integers between -5 and 256, when you create an int in that range you
actually just get back a reference to the existing object.”




Why? Because small integers are more frequently used by loops. Using reference to existing objects instead of creating a new object saves an overhead.






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    If you take a look at Objects/longobject.c, which implements the int type for CPython, you will see that the numbers between -5 (NSMALLNEGINTS) and 256 (NSMALLPOSINTS - 1) are pre-allocated and cached. This is done to avoid the penalty of allocating multiple unnecessary objects for the most commonly used integers. This works because integers are immutable: you don't need multiple references to represent the same number.






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      Python doesn't know anything until you tell it. So in your code above, when you initialize a and b, you are storing those values(in the register or RAM), and calling the place to store it a and b, so that you can reference them later. If you didn't initialize the variable first, python would just give you an error.






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      • I think you're missing the point of the question. a == b is obviously true. OP is asking why a is b is true.

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      Why?



      is is kinda confusing:



      @ajnLJA-0184 is correct, but additionally, strings work well too, but when you do some operations to it, but still the same strings, nope:



      >>> a = 'python'
      >>> b = 'python'
      >>> a is b
      True
      >>> a = 'pytho' + 'n'
      >>> b = 'pythonn'[:-1]
      >>> a is b
      False
      >>>


      But strange enough, it is different for integers:



      >>> a = 1
      >>> b = 1
      >>> a is b
      True
      >>> a = 3*8
      >>> b = 4*6
      >>> a is b
      True
      >>>


      But as the link he gave, there you can see that:



      >>> a = 257
      >>> b = 257
      >>> a is b
      False
      >>>


      How to know if it is gonna be True or not?



      Well, here is when id comes in handy:



      Here you go, just type in id and two parens and say your varaible...:



      >>> a = 1
      >>> b = 1
      >>> id(a)
      1935522256
      >>> id(b)
      1935522256
      >>> a = 257 # or -6
      >>> b = 257 # or -6
      >>> id(a)
      935705330960
      >>> id(b)
      935705331216
      >>>





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        Why d is a equals False in the first example? That's new.

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      • @ajnLJA-0 Because the strings aren't direct like 'python', they do an operation to get 'python', that's why.

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      Python uses shared small integers to help quick access. Integers range from [-5, 256] already exists in memory, so if you check the address, they are the same. However, for larger integers, it's not true.



      a = 10e5
      b = 10e5
      a is b # False


      Wait, what? If you check the address of the numbers, you'll find something interesting:



      a = 1
      b = 1
      id(a) # 4463034512
      id(b) # 4463034512

      a = 257
      b = 257
      id(a) # 4642585200
      id(b) # 4642585712


      It's called integer cache. You can read more about the integer cache here: https://wsvincent.com/python-wat-integer-cache/




      “The current implementation keeps an array of integer objects for all
      integers between -5 and 256, when you create an int in that range you
      actually just get back a reference to the existing object.”




      Why? Because small integers are more frequently used by loops. Using reference to existing objects instead of creating a new object saves an overhead.






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        Python uses shared small integers to help quick access. Integers range from [-5, 256] already exists in memory, so if you check the address, they are the same. However, for larger integers, it's not true.



        a = 10e5
        b = 10e5
        a is b # False


        Wait, what? If you check the address of the numbers, you'll find something interesting:



        a = 1
        b = 1
        id(a) # 4463034512
        id(b) # 4463034512

        a = 257
        b = 257
        id(a) # 4642585200
        id(b) # 4642585712


        It's called integer cache. You can read more about the integer cache here: https://wsvincent.com/python-wat-integer-cache/




        “The current implementation keeps an array of integer objects for all
        integers between -5 and 256, when you create an int in that range you
        actually just get back a reference to the existing object.”




        Why? Because small integers are more frequently used by loops. Using reference to existing objects instead of creating a new object saves an overhead.






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          Python uses shared small integers to help quick access. Integers range from [-5, 256] already exists in memory, so if you check the address, they are the same. However, for larger integers, it's not true.



          a = 10e5
          b = 10e5
          a is b # False


          Wait, what? If you check the address of the numbers, you'll find something interesting:



          a = 1
          b = 1
          id(a) # 4463034512
          id(b) # 4463034512

          a = 257
          b = 257
          id(a) # 4642585200
          id(b) # 4642585712


          It's called integer cache. You can read more about the integer cache here: https://wsvincent.com/python-wat-integer-cache/




          “The current implementation keeps an array of integer objects for all
          integers between -5 and 256, when you create an int in that range you
          actually just get back a reference to the existing object.”




          Why? Because small integers are more frequently used by loops. Using reference to existing objects instead of creating a new object saves an overhead.






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          Python uses shared small integers to help quick access. Integers range from [-5, 256] already exists in memory, so if you check the address, they are the same. However, for larger integers, it's not true.



          a = 10e5
          b = 10e5
          a is b # False


          Wait, what? If you check the address of the numbers, you'll find something interesting:



          a = 1
          b = 1
          id(a) # 4463034512
          id(b) # 4463034512

          a = 257
          b = 257
          id(a) # 4642585200
          id(b) # 4642585712


          It's called integer cache. You can read more about the integer cache here: https://wsvincent.com/python-wat-integer-cache/




          “The current implementation keeps an array of integer objects for all
          integers between -5 and 256, when you create an int in that range you
          actually just get back a reference to the existing object.”




          Why? Because small integers are more frequently used by loops. Using reference to existing objects instead of creating a new object saves an overhead.







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              If you take a look at Objects/longobject.c, which implements the int type for CPython, you will see that the numbers between -5 (NSMALLNEGINTS) and 256 (NSMALLPOSINTS - 1) are pre-allocated and cached. This is done to avoid the penalty of allocating multiple unnecessary objects for the most commonly used integers. This works because integers are immutable: you don't need multiple references to represent the same number.






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                If you take a look at Objects/longobject.c, which implements the int type for CPython, you will see that the numbers between -5 (NSMALLNEGINTS) and 256 (NSMALLPOSINTS - 1) are pre-allocated and cached. This is done to avoid the penalty of allocating multiple unnecessary objects for the most commonly used integers. This works because integers are immutable: you don't need multiple references to represent the same number.






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                  If you take a look at Objects/longobject.c, which implements the int type for CPython, you will see that the numbers between -5 (NSMALLNEGINTS) and 256 (NSMALLPOSINTS - 1) are pre-allocated and cached. This is done to avoid the penalty of allocating multiple unnecessary objects for the most commonly used integers. This works because integers are immutable: you don't need multiple references to represent the same number.






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                  If you take a look at Objects/longobject.c, which implements the int type for CPython, you will see that the numbers between -5 (NSMALLNEGINTS) and 256 (NSMALLPOSINTS - 1) are pre-allocated and cached. This is done to avoid the penalty of allocating multiple unnecessary objects for the most commonly used integers. This works because integers are immutable: you don't need multiple references to represent the same number.







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                      Python doesn't know anything until you tell it. So in your code above, when you initialize a and b, you are storing those values(in the register or RAM), and calling the place to store it a and b, so that you can reference them later. If you didn't initialize the variable first, python would just give you an error.






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                      • I think you're missing the point of the question. a == b is obviously true. OP is asking why a is b is true.

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                      Python doesn't know anything until you tell it. So in your code above, when you initialize a and b, you are storing those values(in the register or RAM), and calling the place to store it a and b, so that you can reference them later. If you didn't initialize the variable first, python would just give you an error.






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                      Python doesn't know anything until you tell it. So in your code above, when you initialize a and b, you are storing those values(in the register or RAM), and calling the place to store it a and b, so that you can reference them later. If you didn't initialize the variable first, python would just give you an error.






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                      Python doesn't know anything until you tell it. So in your code above, when you initialize a and b, you are storing those values(in the register or RAM), and calling the place to store it a and b, so that you can reference them later. If you didn't initialize the variable first, python would just give you an error.







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                      • I think you're missing the point of the question. a == b is obviously true. OP is asking why a is b is true.

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                      I think you're missing the point of the question. a == b is obviously true. OP is asking why a is b is true.

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                      I think you're missing the point of the question. a == b is obviously true. OP is asking why a is b is true.

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                      Why?



                      is is kinda confusing:



                      @ajnLJA-0184 is correct, but additionally, strings work well too, but when you do some operations to it, but still the same strings, nope:



                      >>> a = 'python'
                      >>> b = 'python'
                      >>> a is b
                      True
                      >>> a = 'pytho' + 'n'
                      >>> b = 'pythonn'[:-1]
                      >>> a is b
                      False
                      >>>


                      But strange enough, it is different for integers:



                      >>> a = 1
                      >>> b = 1
                      >>> a is b
                      True
                      >>> a = 3*8
                      >>> b = 4*6
                      >>> a is b
                      True
                      >>>


                      But as the link he gave, there you can see that:



                      >>> a = 257
                      >>> b = 257
                      >>> a is b
                      False
                      >>>


                      How to know if it is gonna be True or not?



                      Well, here is when id comes in handy:



                      Here you go, just type in id and two parens and say your varaible...:



                      >>> a = 1
                      >>> b = 1
                      >>> id(a)
                      1935522256
                      >>> id(b)
                      1935522256
                      >>> a = 257 # or -6
                      >>> b = 257 # or -6
                      >>> id(a)
                      935705330960
                      >>> id(b)
                      935705331216
                      >>>





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                        Why d is a equals False in the first example? That's new.

                        – ajnLJA-0184
                        2 mins ago











                      • @ajnLJA-0 Because the strings aren't direct like 'python', they do an operation to get 'python', that's why.

                        – U9-Forward
                        1 min ago
















                      0














                      Why?



                      is is kinda confusing:



                      @ajnLJA-0184 is correct, but additionally, strings work well too, but when you do some operations to it, but still the same strings, nope:



                      >>> a = 'python'
                      >>> b = 'python'
                      >>> a is b
                      True
                      >>> a = 'pytho' + 'n'
                      >>> b = 'pythonn'[:-1]
                      >>> a is b
                      False
                      >>>


                      But strange enough, it is different for integers:



                      >>> a = 1
                      >>> b = 1
                      >>> a is b
                      True
                      >>> a = 3*8
                      >>> b = 4*6
                      >>> a is b
                      True
                      >>>


                      But as the link he gave, there you can see that:



                      >>> a = 257
                      >>> b = 257
                      >>> a is b
                      False
                      >>>


                      How to know if it is gonna be True or not?



                      Well, here is when id comes in handy:



                      Here you go, just type in id and two parens and say your varaible...:



                      >>> a = 1
                      >>> b = 1
                      >>> id(a)
                      1935522256
                      >>> id(b)
                      1935522256
                      >>> a = 257 # or -6
                      >>> b = 257 # or -6
                      >>> id(a)
                      935705330960
                      >>> id(b)
                      935705331216
                      >>>





                      share|improve this answer




















                      • 1





                        Why d is a equals False in the first example? That's new.

                        – ajnLJA-0184
                        2 mins ago











                      • @ajnLJA-0 Because the strings aren't direct like 'python', they do an operation to get 'python', that's why.

                        – U9-Forward
                        1 min ago














                      0












                      0








                      0







                      Why?



                      is is kinda confusing:



                      @ajnLJA-0184 is correct, but additionally, strings work well too, but when you do some operations to it, but still the same strings, nope:



                      >>> a = 'python'
                      >>> b = 'python'
                      >>> a is b
                      True
                      >>> a = 'pytho' + 'n'
                      >>> b = 'pythonn'[:-1]
                      >>> a is b
                      False
                      >>>


                      But strange enough, it is different for integers:



                      >>> a = 1
                      >>> b = 1
                      >>> a is b
                      True
                      >>> a = 3*8
                      >>> b = 4*6
                      >>> a is b
                      True
                      >>>


                      But as the link he gave, there you can see that:



                      >>> a = 257
                      >>> b = 257
                      >>> a is b
                      False
                      >>>


                      How to know if it is gonna be True or not?



                      Well, here is when id comes in handy:



                      Here you go, just type in id and two parens and say your varaible...:



                      >>> a = 1
                      >>> b = 1
                      >>> id(a)
                      1935522256
                      >>> id(b)
                      1935522256
                      >>> a = 257 # or -6
                      >>> b = 257 # or -6
                      >>> id(a)
                      935705330960
                      >>> id(b)
                      935705331216
                      >>>





                      share|improve this answer















                      Why?



                      is is kinda confusing:



                      @ajnLJA-0184 is correct, but additionally, strings work well too, but when you do some operations to it, but still the same strings, nope:



                      >>> a = 'python'
                      >>> b = 'python'
                      >>> a is b
                      True
                      >>> a = 'pytho' + 'n'
                      >>> b = 'pythonn'[:-1]
                      >>> a is b
                      False
                      >>>


                      But strange enough, it is different for integers:



                      >>> a = 1
                      >>> b = 1
                      >>> a is b
                      True
                      >>> a = 3*8
                      >>> b = 4*6
                      >>> a is b
                      True
                      >>>


                      But as the link he gave, there you can see that:



                      >>> a = 257
                      >>> b = 257
                      >>> a is b
                      False
                      >>>


                      How to know if it is gonna be True or not?



                      Well, here is when id comes in handy:



                      Here you go, just type in id and two parens and say your varaible...:



                      >>> a = 1
                      >>> b = 1
                      >>> id(a)
                      1935522256
                      >>> id(b)
                      1935522256
                      >>> a = 257 # or -6
                      >>> b = 257 # or -6
                      >>> id(a)
                      935705330960
                      >>> id(b)
                      935705331216
                      >>>






                      share|improve this answer














                      share|improve this answer



                      share|improve this answer








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                      • 1





                        Why d is a equals False in the first example? That's new.

                        – ajnLJA-0184
                        2 mins ago











                      • @ajnLJA-0 Because the strings aren't direct like 'python', they do an operation to get 'python', that's why.

                        – U9-Forward
                        1 min ago













                      • 1





                        Why d is a equals False in the first example? That's new.

                        – ajnLJA-0184
                        2 mins ago











                      • @ajnLJA-0 Because the strings aren't direct like 'python', they do an operation to get 'python', that's why.

                        – U9-Forward
                        1 min ago








                      1




                      1





                      Why d is a equals False in the first example? That's new.

                      – ajnLJA-0184
                      2 mins ago





                      Why d is a equals False in the first example? That's new.

                      – ajnLJA-0184
                      2 mins ago













                      @ajnLJA-0 Because the strings aren't direct like 'python', they do an operation to get 'python', that's why.

                      – U9-Forward
                      1 min ago






                      @ajnLJA-0 Because the strings aren't direct like 'python', they do an operation to get 'python', that's why.

                      – U9-Forward
                      1 min ago











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