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Does every subgroup of an abelian group have to be abelian?
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My original problem is to show that E/L is an abelian extension over L and L/F is an abelian extension over F, given that E/F is an abelian extension over F and that L is a normal extension of F such that $Fsubseteq L subseteq E$.
So far I have proved that E is a normal extension of F, E is a normal extension of L, and L is a normal extension of F. I know that to prove abelian extension I must also prove that Gal(E/L) is an abelian group. I have shown that Gal(E/L) $subseteq$ Gal (E/F). In my mind it makes sense that I cannot lose commutativity therefore my subgroup must be Abelian too. How do I show this in a proof? Is it enough to show two elements in the subgroup must also exist in the larger group and that they must be commutative in the larger group? I feel like I know what needs to be done, just not how to phrase it.
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My original problem is to show that E/L is an abelian extension over L and L/F is an abelian extension over F, given that E/F is an abelian extension over F and that L is a normal extension of F such that $Fsubseteq L subseteq E$.
So far I have proved that E is a normal extension of F, E is a normal extension of L, and L is a normal extension of F. I know that to prove abelian extension I must also prove that Gal(E/L) is an abelian group. I have shown that Gal(E/L) $subseteq$ Gal (E/F). In my mind it makes sense that I cannot lose commutativity therefore my subgroup must be Abelian too. How do I show this in a proof? Is it enough to show two elements in the subgroup must also exist in the larger group and that they must be commutative in the larger group? I feel like I know what needs to be done, just not how to phrase it.
abstract-algebra group-theory galois-theory abelian-groups
edited 4 hours ago
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asked 6 hours ago
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My original problem is to show that E/L is an abelian extension over L and L/F is an abelian extension over F, given that E/F is an abelian extension over F and that L is a normal extension of F such that $Fsubseteq L subseteq E$.
So far I have proved that E is a normal extension of F, E is a normal extension of L, and L is a normal extension of F. I know that to prove abelian extension I must also prove that Gal(E/L) is an abelian group. I have shown that Gal(E/L) $subseteq$ Gal (E/F). In my mind it makes sense that I cannot lose commutativity therefore my subgroup must be Abelian too. How do I show this in a proof? Is it enough to show two elements in the subgroup must also exist in the larger group and that they must be commutative in the larger group? I feel like I know what needs to be done, just not how to phrase it.
abstract-algebra group-theory galois-theory abelian-groups
edited 4 hours ago
J. W. Tanner
5,1651520
asked 6 hours ago
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My original problem is to show that E/L is an abelian extension over L and L/F is an abelian extension over F, given that E/F is an abelian extension over F and that L is a normal extension of F such that $Fsubseteq L subseteq E$.
So far I have proved that E is a normal extension of F, E is a normal extension of L, and L is a normal extension of F. I know that to prove abelian extension I must also prove that Gal(E/L) is an abelian group. I have shown that Gal(E/L) $subseteq$ Gal (E/F). In my mind it makes sense that I cannot lose commutativity therefore my subgroup must be Abelian too. How do I show this in a proof? Is it enough to show two elements in the subgroup must also exist in the larger group and that they must be commutative in the larger group? I feel like I know what needs to be done, just not how to phrase it.
abstract-algebra group-theory galois-theory abelian-groups
abstract-algebra group-theory galois-theory abelian-groups
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J. W. Tanner
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asked 6 hours ago
MT mathMT math
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Huh, funny, we just went over this today in my algebra class.
Yes, subgroups of abelian groups are indeed abelian, and your thought process has the right idea.
Showing this is pretty easy. Take an abelian group $G$ with subgroup $H$. Then we know that, for all $a,bin H$, $ab=ba$ since it must also hold in $G$ (as $a,b in G ge H$ and $G$ is given to be abelian).
answered 6 hours ago
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can I use essentially the same reasoning to prove that L/F is an abelian extension as well?
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6 hours ago
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I believe so, yes.
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4 hours ago
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If $G$ is an abelian group and $H$ is a subgroup, suppose $x, yin H$. Then in particular $x, yin G$, so $xy=yx$. Since $x, y$ were arbitrary, $H$ is abelian.
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Huh, funny, we just went over this today in my algebra class.
Yes, subgroups of abelian groups are indeed abelian, and your thought process has the right idea.
Showing this is pretty easy. Take an abelian group $G$ with subgroup $H$. Then we know that, for all $a,bin H$, $ab=ba$ since it must also hold in $G$ (as $a,b in G ge H$ and $G$ is given to be abelian).
answered 6 hours ago
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can I use essentially the same reasoning to prove that L/F is an abelian extension as well?
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– MT math
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
I believe so, yes.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
4 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Huh, funny, we just went over this today in my algebra class.
Yes, subgroups of abelian groups are indeed abelian, and your thought process has the right idea.
Showing this is pretty easy. Take an abelian group $G$ with subgroup $H$. Then we know that, for all $a,bin H$, $ab=ba$ since it must also hold in $G$ (as $a,b in G ge H$ and $G$ is given to be abelian).
answered 6 hours ago
Eevee TrainerEevee Trainer
10.8k31843
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$begingroup$
can I use essentially the same reasoning to prove that L/F is an abelian extension as well?
$endgroup$
– MT math
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
I believe so, yes.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
4 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Huh, funny, we just went over this today in my algebra class.
Yes, subgroups of abelian groups are indeed abelian, and your thought process has the right idea.
Showing this is pretty easy. Take an abelian group $G$ with subgroup $H$. Then we know that, for all $a,bin H$, $ab=ba$ since it must also hold in $G$ (as $a,b in G ge H$ and $G$ is given to be abelian).
answered 6 hours ago
Eevee TrainerEevee Trainer
10.8k31843
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Huh, funny, we just went over this today in my algebra class.
Yes, subgroups of abelian groups are indeed abelian, and your thought process has the right idea.
Showing this is pretty easy. Take an abelian group $G$ with subgroup $H$. Then we know that, for all $a,bin H$, $ab=ba$ since it must also hold in $G$ (as $a,b in G ge H$ and $G$ is given to be abelian).
answered 6 hours ago
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answered 6 hours ago
Eevee TrainerEevee Trainer
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can I use essentially the same reasoning to prove that L/F is an abelian extension as well?
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– MT math
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I believe so, yes.
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4 hours ago
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can I use essentially the same reasoning to prove that L/F is an abelian extension as well?
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– MT math
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I believe so, yes.
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– Eevee Trainer
4 hours ago
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can I use essentially the same reasoning to prove that L/F is an abelian extension as well?
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– MT math
6 hours ago
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can I use essentially the same reasoning to prove that L/F is an abelian extension as well?
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– MT math
6 hours ago
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I believe so, yes.
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I believe so, yes.
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If $G$ is an abelian group and $H$ is a subgroup, suppose $x, yin H$. Then in particular $x, yin G$, so $xy=yx$. Since $x, y$ were arbitrary, $H$ is abelian.
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If $G$ is an abelian group and $H$ is a subgroup, suppose $x, yin H$. Then in particular $x, yin G$, so $xy=yx$. Since $x, y$ were arbitrary, $H$ is abelian.
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If $G$ is an abelian group and $H$ is a subgroup, suppose $x, yin H$. Then in particular $x, yin G$, so $xy=yx$. Since $x, y$ were arbitrary, $H$ is abelian.
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