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Do the end points of a domain come under critical points ?
I know we say critical point is a point where the derivative is zero or the derivative doesn't exist.
For ex:-
$$ f:[0,pi] rightarrow [-1,1] , f(x) = sin(x)$$
Does this have 1 critical point or 3 critical points(0 and $pi$ included) ?
NOTE:- This question is limited to only Single Variable Functions.Although I really would love an insight to this for Multivariable as well.
calculus
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Do the end points of a domain come under critical points ?
I know we say critical point is a point where the derivative is zero or the derivative doesn't exist.
For ex:-
$$ f:[0,pi] rightarrow [-1,1] , f(x) = sin(x)$$
Does this have 1 critical point or 3 critical points(0 and $pi$ included) ?
NOTE:- This question is limited to only Single Variable Functions.Although I really would love an insight to this for Multivariable as well.
calculus
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Do the end points of a domain come under critical points ?
I know we say critical point is a point where the derivative is zero or the derivative doesn't exist.
For ex:-
$$ f:[0,pi] rightarrow [-1,1] , f(x) = sin(x)$$
Does this have 1 critical point or 3 critical points(0 and $pi$ included) ?
NOTE:- This question is limited to only Single Variable Functions.Although I really would love an insight to this for Multivariable as well.
calculus
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Do the end points of a domain come under critical points ?
I know we say critical point is a point where the derivative is zero or the derivative doesn't exist.
For ex:-
$$ f:[0,pi] rightarrow [-1,1] , f(x) = sin(x)$$
Does this have 1 critical point or 3 critical points(0 and $pi$ included) ?
NOTE:- This question is limited to only Single Variable Functions.Although I really would love an insight to this for Multivariable as well.
calculus
calculus
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Yes, the function has 3 critical numbers. One is where the derivative of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ is zero and the other two happen to be the endpoints $x=0$ and $x=pi$ because the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ is non-differentiable at those points.
Do you remember what it means for a function to be differentiable at a point? The function has to have a derivative at that point. What is the derivative of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ at $x=0$? Well, it should be:
$$
lim_xto0fracsinx-sin0x-0=lim_xto0fracsinxx
$$
Which is nothing more than two one-sided limits (if those two limits exist and are equal to each other, the limit itself exists):
$$
lim_xto0^-fracsinxx, lim_xto0^+fracsinxx
$$
But the first of those two limits for all intents and purposes is nonexistent because all x values that lie to the left of $0$ are not in the domain of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$. For a limit to exist, you need two one-sided limits. But you've got only one! Thus, the derivative at $x=0$ does not exist which makes it a critical number. The exact same idea applies to the other endpoint.
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I get your logic. But don't we have a definition for derivative at end points. We only take one sided derivatives at the end points. Do you have any book/source to back up your answer ? Thank you for your help
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– rajdeep dhingra
4 hours ago
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Well, you can look it up on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differentiable_function Wikipedia is more or less a reliable and authoritative source of information when it comes to mathematics.
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– Michael Rybkin
4 hours ago
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They have mentioned on that Wikipedia page that , the they are taking in an open interval U. Whereas what I am asking here is a closed interval case.
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– rajdeep dhingra
4 hours ago
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It says quite clearly at the beginning of the second paragraph: More generally, if $x_0$ is a point in the domain of a function $f$, then $f$ is said to be differentiable at $x_0$ if the derivative $f '(x_0)$ exists. It follows that if the point $x_0$ is in the domain of the function and the derivative $f '(x_0)$ does not exist, then the function is non-differentiable at that point.
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– Michael Rybkin
4 hours ago
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To put it simply, a derivative is basically a formula for the slope of the tangent line to a curve. If there is no curve to speak of to the left of a point, there cannot be a tangle line at that point.
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$$f'(x) = cos(x) = 0 iff x = fracpi2$$
The function $f$ has only one critical point, since the derivative ($f'(x) = cos(x)$) exists at the endpoints. ($0$ and $pi$.)
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Yes, the function has 3 critical numbers. One is where the derivative of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ is zero and the other two happen to be the endpoints $x=0$ and $x=pi$ because the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ is non-differentiable at those points.
Do you remember what it means for a function to be differentiable at a point? The function has to have a derivative at that point. What is the derivative of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ at $x=0$? Well, it should be:
$$
lim_xto0fracsinx-sin0x-0=lim_xto0fracsinxx
$$
Which is nothing more than two one-sided limits (if those two limits exist and are equal to each other, the limit itself exists):
$$
lim_xto0^-fracsinxx, lim_xto0^+fracsinxx
$$
But the first of those two limits for all intents and purposes is nonexistent because all x values that lie to the left of $0$ are not in the domain of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$. For a limit to exist, you need two one-sided limits. But you've got only one! Thus, the derivative at $x=0$ does not exist which makes it a critical number. The exact same idea applies to the other endpoint.
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I get your logic. But don't we have a definition for derivative at end points. We only take one sided derivatives at the end points. Do you have any book/source to back up your answer ? Thank you for your help
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– rajdeep dhingra
4 hours ago
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Well, you can look it up on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differentiable_function Wikipedia is more or less a reliable and authoritative source of information when it comes to mathematics.
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– Michael Rybkin
4 hours ago
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They have mentioned on that Wikipedia page that , the they are taking in an open interval U. Whereas what I am asking here is a closed interval case.
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– rajdeep dhingra
4 hours ago
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It says quite clearly at the beginning of the second paragraph: More generally, if $x_0$ is a point in the domain of a function $f$, then $f$ is said to be differentiable at $x_0$ if the derivative $f '(x_0)$ exists. It follows that if the point $x_0$ is in the domain of the function and the derivative $f '(x_0)$ does not exist, then the function is non-differentiable at that point.
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– Michael Rybkin
4 hours ago
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To put it simply, a derivative is basically a formula for the slope of the tangent line to a curve. If there is no curve to speak of to the left of a point, there cannot be a tangle line at that point.
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– Michael Rybkin
4 hours ago
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show 4 more comments
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Yes, the function has 3 critical numbers. One is where the derivative of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ is zero and the other two happen to be the endpoints $x=0$ and $x=pi$ because the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ is non-differentiable at those points.
Do you remember what it means for a function to be differentiable at a point? The function has to have a derivative at that point. What is the derivative of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ at $x=0$? Well, it should be:
$$
lim_xto0fracsinx-sin0x-0=lim_xto0fracsinxx
$$
Which is nothing more than two one-sided limits (if those two limits exist and are equal to each other, the limit itself exists):
$$
lim_xto0^-fracsinxx, lim_xto0^+fracsinxx
$$
But the first of those two limits for all intents and purposes is nonexistent because all x values that lie to the left of $0$ are not in the domain of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$. For a limit to exist, you need two one-sided limits. But you've got only one! Thus, the derivative at $x=0$ does not exist which makes it a critical number. The exact same idea applies to the other endpoint.
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I get your logic. But don't we have a definition for derivative at end points. We only take one sided derivatives at the end points. Do you have any book/source to back up your answer ? Thank you for your help
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– rajdeep dhingra
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
Well, you can look it up on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differentiable_function Wikipedia is more or less a reliable and authoritative source of information when it comes to mathematics.
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– Michael Rybkin
4 hours ago
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They have mentioned on that Wikipedia page that , the they are taking in an open interval U. Whereas what I am asking here is a closed interval case.
$endgroup$
– rajdeep dhingra
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
It says quite clearly at the beginning of the second paragraph: More generally, if $x_0$ is a point in the domain of a function $f$, then $f$ is said to be differentiable at $x_0$ if the derivative $f '(x_0)$ exists. It follows that if the point $x_0$ is in the domain of the function and the derivative $f '(x_0)$ does not exist, then the function is non-differentiable at that point.
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– Michael Rybkin
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
To put it simply, a derivative is basically a formula for the slope of the tangent line to a curve. If there is no curve to speak of to the left of a point, there cannot be a tangle line at that point.
$endgroup$
– Michael Rybkin
4 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
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Yes, the function has 3 critical numbers. One is where the derivative of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ is zero and the other two happen to be the endpoints $x=0$ and $x=pi$ because the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ is non-differentiable at those points.
Do you remember what it means for a function to be differentiable at a point? The function has to have a derivative at that point. What is the derivative of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ at $x=0$? Well, it should be:
$$
lim_xto0fracsinx-sin0x-0=lim_xto0fracsinxx
$$
Which is nothing more than two one-sided limits (if those two limits exist and are equal to each other, the limit itself exists):
$$
lim_xto0^-fracsinxx, lim_xto0^+fracsinxx
$$
But the first of those two limits for all intents and purposes is nonexistent because all x values that lie to the left of $0$ are not in the domain of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$. For a limit to exist, you need two one-sided limits. But you've got only one! Thus, the derivative at $x=0$ does not exist which makes it a critical number. The exact same idea applies to the other endpoint.
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Yes, the function has 3 critical numbers. One is where the derivative of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ is zero and the other two happen to be the endpoints $x=0$ and $x=pi$ because the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ is non-differentiable at those points.
Do you remember what it means for a function to be differentiable at a point? The function has to have a derivative at that point. What is the derivative of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ at $x=0$? Well, it should be:
$$
lim_xto0fracsinx-sin0x-0=lim_xto0fracsinxx
$$
Which is nothing more than two one-sided limits (if those two limits exist and are equal to each other, the limit itself exists):
$$
lim_xto0^-fracsinxx, lim_xto0^+fracsinxx
$$
But the first of those two limits for all intents and purposes is nonexistent because all x values that lie to the left of $0$ are not in the domain of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$. For a limit to exist, you need two one-sided limits. But you've got only one! Thus, the derivative at $x=0$ does not exist which makes it a critical number. The exact same idea applies to the other endpoint.
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I get your logic. But don't we have a definition for derivative at end points. We only take one sided derivatives at the end points. Do you have any book/source to back up your answer ? Thank you for your help
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– rajdeep dhingra
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
Well, you can look it up on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differentiable_function Wikipedia is more or less a reliable and authoritative source of information when it comes to mathematics.
$endgroup$
– Michael Rybkin
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
They have mentioned on that Wikipedia page that , the they are taking in an open interval U. Whereas what I am asking here is a closed interval case.
$endgroup$
– rajdeep dhingra
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
It says quite clearly at the beginning of the second paragraph: More generally, if $x_0$ is a point in the domain of a function $f$, then $f$ is said to be differentiable at $x_0$ if the derivative $f '(x_0)$ exists. It follows that if the point $x_0$ is in the domain of the function and the derivative $f '(x_0)$ does not exist, then the function is non-differentiable at that point.
$endgroup$
– Michael Rybkin
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
To put it simply, a derivative is basically a formula for the slope of the tangent line to a curve. If there is no curve to speak of to the left of a point, there cannot be a tangle line at that point.
$endgroup$
– Michael Rybkin
4 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
$begingroup$
I get your logic. But don't we have a definition for derivative at end points. We only take one sided derivatives at the end points. Do you have any book/source to back up your answer ? Thank you for your help
$endgroup$
– rajdeep dhingra
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
Well, you can look it up on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differentiable_function Wikipedia is more or less a reliable and authoritative source of information when it comes to mathematics.
$endgroup$
– Michael Rybkin
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
They have mentioned on that Wikipedia page that , the they are taking in an open interval U. Whereas what I am asking here is a closed interval case.
$endgroup$
– rajdeep dhingra
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
It says quite clearly at the beginning of the second paragraph: More generally, if $x_0$ is a point in the domain of a function $f$, then $f$ is said to be differentiable at $x_0$ if the derivative $f '(x_0)$ exists. It follows that if the point $x_0$ is in the domain of the function and the derivative $f '(x_0)$ does not exist, then the function is non-differentiable at that point.
$endgroup$
– Michael Rybkin
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
To put it simply, a derivative is basically a formula for the slope of the tangent line to a curve. If there is no curve to speak of to the left of a point, there cannot be a tangle line at that point.
$endgroup$
– Michael Rybkin
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
I get your logic. But don't we have a definition for derivative at end points. We only take one sided derivatives at the end points. Do you have any book/source to back up your answer ? Thank you for your help
$endgroup$
– rajdeep dhingra
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
I get your logic. But don't we have a definition for derivative at end points. We only take one sided derivatives at the end points. Do you have any book/source to back up your answer ? Thank you for your help
$endgroup$
– rajdeep dhingra
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
Well, you can look it up on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differentiable_function Wikipedia is more or less a reliable and authoritative source of information when it comes to mathematics.
$endgroup$
– Michael Rybkin
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
Well, you can look it up on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differentiable_function Wikipedia is more or less a reliable and authoritative source of information when it comes to mathematics.
$endgroup$
– Michael Rybkin
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
They have mentioned on that Wikipedia page that , the they are taking in an open interval U. Whereas what I am asking here is a closed interval case.
$endgroup$
– rajdeep dhingra
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
They have mentioned on that Wikipedia page that , the they are taking in an open interval U. Whereas what I am asking here is a closed interval case.
$endgroup$
– rajdeep dhingra
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
It says quite clearly at the beginning of the second paragraph: More generally, if $x_0$ is a point in the domain of a function $f$, then $f$ is said to be differentiable at $x_0$ if the derivative $f '(x_0)$ exists. It follows that if the point $x_0$ is in the domain of the function and the derivative $f '(x_0)$ does not exist, then the function is non-differentiable at that point.
$endgroup$
– Michael Rybkin
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
It says quite clearly at the beginning of the second paragraph: More generally, if $x_0$ is a point in the domain of a function $f$, then $f$ is said to be differentiable at $x_0$ if the derivative $f '(x_0)$ exists. It follows that if the point $x_0$ is in the domain of the function and the derivative $f '(x_0)$ does not exist, then the function is non-differentiable at that point.
$endgroup$
– Michael Rybkin
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
To put it simply, a derivative is basically a formula for the slope of the tangent line to a curve. If there is no curve to speak of to the left of a point, there cannot be a tangle line at that point.
$endgroup$
– Michael Rybkin
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
To put it simply, a derivative is basically a formula for the slope of the tangent line to a curve. If there is no curve to speak of to the left of a point, there cannot be a tangle line at that point.
$endgroup$
– Michael Rybkin
4 hours ago
|
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$$f'(x) = cos(x) = 0 iff x = fracpi2$$
The function $f$ has only one critical point, since the derivative ($f'(x) = cos(x)$) exists at the endpoints. ($0$ and $pi$.)
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$$f'(x) = cos(x) = 0 iff x = fracpi2$$
The function $f$ has only one critical point, since the derivative ($f'(x) = cos(x)$) exists at the endpoints. ($0$ and $pi$.)
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$$f'(x) = cos(x) = 0 iff x = fracpi2$$
The function $f$ has only one critical point, since the derivative ($f'(x) = cos(x)$) exists at the endpoints. ($0$ and $pi$.)
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$$f'(x) = cos(x) = 0 iff x = fracpi2$$
The function $f$ has only one critical point, since the derivative ($f'(x) = cos(x)$) exists at the endpoints. ($0$ and $pi$.)
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