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Do the end points of a domain come under critical points ?
I know we say critical point is a point where the derivative is zero or the derivative doesn't exist.



For ex:-
$$ f:[0,pi] rightarrow [-1,1] , f(x) = sin(x)$$
Does this have 1 critical point or 3 critical points(0 and $pi$ included) ?



NOTE:- This question is limited to only Single Variable Functions.Although I really would love an insight to this for Multivariable as well.










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    Do the end points of a domain come under critical points ?
    I know we say critical point is a point where the derivative is zero or the derivative doesn't exist.



    For ex:-
    $$ f:[0,pi] rightarrow [-1,1] , f(x) = sin(x)$$
    Does this have 1 critical point or 3 critical points(0 and $pi$ included) ?



    NOTE:- This question is limited to only Single Variable Functions.Although I really would love an insight to this for Multivariable as well.










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      Do the end points of a domain come under critical points ?
      I know we say critical point is a point where the derivative is zero or the derivative doesn't exist.



      For ex:-
      $$ f:[0,pi] rightarrow [-1,1] , f(x) = sin(x)$$
      Does this have 1 critical point or 3 critical points(0 and $pi$ included) ?



      NOTE:- This question is limited to only Single Variable Functions.Although I really would love an insight to this for Multivariable as well.










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      Do the end points of a domain come under critical points ?
      I know we say critical point is a point where the derivative is zero or the derivative doesn't exist.



      For ex:-
      $$ f:[0,pi] rightarrow [-1,1] , f(x) = sin(x)$$
      Does this have 1 critical point or 3 critical points(0 and $pi$ included) ?



      NOTE:- This question is limited to only Single Variable Functions.Although I really would love an insight to this for Multivariable as well.







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          Yes, the function has 3 critical numbers. One is where the derivative of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ is zero and the other two happen to be the endpoints $x=0$ and $x=pi$ because the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ is non-differentiable at those points.



          Do you remember what it means for a function to be differentiable at a point? The function has to have a derivative at that point. What is the derivative of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ at $x=0$? Well, it should be:



          $$
          lim_xto0fracsinx-sin0x-0=lim_xto0fracsinxx
          $$



          Which is nothing more than two one-sided limits (if those two limits exist and are equal to each other, the limit itself exists):



          $$
          lim_xto0^-fracsinxx, lim_xto0^+fracsinxx
          $$

          But the first of those two limits for all intents and purposes is nonexistent because all x values that lie to the left of $0$ are not in the domain of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$. For a limit to exist, you need two one-sided limits. But you've got only one! Thus, the derivative at $x=0$ does not exist which makes it a critical number. The exact same idea applies to the other endpoint.






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            I get your logic. But don't we have a definition for derivative at end points. We only take one sided derivatives at the end points. Do you have any book/source to back up your answer ? Thank you for your help
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            Well, you can look it up on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differentiable_function Wikipedia is more or less a reliable and authoritative source of information when it comes to mathematics.
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            They have mentioned on that Wikipedia page that , the they are taking in an open interval U. Whereas what I am asking here is a closed interval case.
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            It says quite clearly at the beginning of the second paragraph: More generally, if $x_0$ is a point in the domain of a function $f$, then $f$ is said to be differentiable at $x_0$ if the derivative $f '(x_0)$ exists. It follows that if the point $x_0$ is in the domain of the function and the derivative $f '(x_0)$ does not exist, then the function is non-differentiable at that point.
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            To put it simply, a derivative is basically a formula for the slope of the tangent line to a curve. If there is no curve to speak of to the left of a point, there cannot be a tangle line at that point.
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          $$f'(x) = cos(x) = 0 iff x = fracpi2$$
          The function $f$ has only one critical point, since the derivative ($f'(x) = cos(x)$) exists at the endpoints. ($0$ and $pi$.)






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            Yes, the function has 3 critical numbers. One is where the derivative of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ is zero and the other two happen to be the endpoints $x=0$ and $x=pi$ because the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ is non-differentiable at those points.



            Do you remember what it means for a function to be differentiable at a point? The function has to have a derivative at that point. What is the derivative of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ at $x=0$? Well, it should be:



            $$
            lim_xto0fracsinx-sin0x-0=lim_xto0fracsinxx
            $$



            Which is nothing more than two one-sided limits (if those two limits exist and are equal to each other, the limit itself exists):



            $$
            lim_xto0^-fracsinxx, lim_xto0^+fracsinxx
            $$

            But the first of those two limits for all intents and purposes is nonexistent because all x values that lie to the left of $0$ are not in the domain of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$. For a limit to exist, you need two one-sided limits. But you've got only one! Thus, the derivative at $x=0$ does not exist which makes it a critical number. The exact same idea applies to the other endpoint.






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              I get your logic. But don't we have a definition for derivative at end points. We only take one sided derivatives at the end points. Do you have any book/source to back up your answer ? Thank you for your help
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              – rajdeep dhingra
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              Well, you can look it up on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differentiable_function Wikipedia is more or less a reliable and authoritative source of information when it comes to mathematics.
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              – Michael Rybkin
              4 hours ago











            • $begingroup$
              They have mentioned on that Wikipedia page that , the they are taking in an open interval U. Whereas what I am asking here is a closed interval case.
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              – rajdeep dhingra
              4 hours ago











            • $begingroup$
              It says quite clearly at the beginning of the second paragraph: More generally, if $x_0$ is a point in the domain of a function $f$, then $f$ is said to be differentiable at $x_0$ if the derivative $f '(x_0)$ exists. It follows that if the point $x_0$ is in the domain of the function and the derivative $f '(x_0)$ does not exist, then the function is non-differentiable at that point.
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              – Michael Rybkin
              4 hours ago











            • $begingroup$
              To put it simply, a derivative is basically a formula for the slope of the tangent line to a curve. If there is no curve to speak of to the left of a point, there cannot be a tangle line at that point.
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            Yes, the function has 3 critical numbers. One is where the derivative of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ is zero and the other two happen to be the endpoints $x=0$ and $x=pi$ because the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ is non-differentiable at those points.



            Do you remember what it means for a function to be differentiable at a point? The function has to have a derivative at that point. What is the derivative of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ at $x=0$? Well, it should be:



            $$
            lim_xto0fracsinx-sin0x-0=lim_xto0fracsinxx
            $$



            Which is nothing more than two one-sided limits (if those two limits exist and are equal to each other, the limit itself exists):



            $$
            lim_xto0^-fracsinxx, lim_xto0^+fracsinxx
            $$

            But the first of those two limits for all intents and purposes is nonexistent because all x values that lie to the left of $0$ are not in the domain of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$. For a limit to exist, you need two one-sided limits. But you've got only one! Thus, the derivative at $x=0$ does not exist which makes it a critical number. The exact same idea applies to the other endpoint.






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              I get your logic. But don't we have a definition for derivative at end points. We only take one sided derivatives at the end points. Do you have any book/source to back up your answer ? Thank you for your help
              $endgroup$
              – rajdeep dhingra
              4 hours ago











            • $begingroup$
              Well, you can look it up on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differentiable_function Wikipedia is more or less a reliable and authoritative source of information when it comes to mathematics.
              $endgroup$
              – Michael Rybkin
              4 hours ago











            • $begingroup$
              They have mentioned on that Wikipedia page that , the they are taking in an open interval U. Whereas what I am asking here is a closed interval case.
              $endgroup$
              – rajdeep dhingra
              4 hours ago











            • $begingroup$
              It says quite clearly at the beginning of the second paragraph: More generally, if $x_0$ is a point in the domain of a function $f$, then $f$ is said to be differentiable at $x_0$ if the derivative $f '(x_0)$ exists. It follows that if the point $x_0$ is in the domain of the function and the derivative $f '(x_0)$ does not exist, then the function is non-differentiable at that point.
              $endgroup$
              – Michael Rybkin
              4 hours ago











            • $begingroup$
              To put it simply, a derivative is basically a formula for the slope of the tangent line to a curve. If there is no curve to speak of to the left of a point, there cannot be a tangle line at that point.
              $endgroup$
              – Michael Rybkin
              4 hours ago














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            Yes, the function has 3 critical numbers. One is where the derivative of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ is zero and the other two happen to be the endpoints $x=0$ and $x=pi$ because the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ is non-differentiable at those points.



            Do you remember what it means for a function to be differentiable at a point? The function has to have a derivative at that point. What is the derivative of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ at $x=0$? Well, it should be:



            $$
            lim_xto0fracsinx-sin0x-0=lim_xto0fracsinxx
            $$



            Which is nothing more than two one-sided limits (if those two limits exist and are equal to each other, the limit itself exists):



            $$
            lim_xto0^-fracsinxx, lim_xto0^+fracsinxx
            $$

            But the first of those two limits for all intents and purposes is nonexistent because all x values that lie to the left of $0$ are not in the domain of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$. For a limit to exist, you need two one-sided limits. But you've got only one! Thus, the derivative at $x=0$ does not exist which makes it a critical number. The exact same idea applies to the other endpoint.






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            Yes, the function has 3 critical numbers. One is where the derivative of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ is zero and the other two happen to be the endpoints $x=0$ and $x=pi$ because the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ is non-differentiable at those points.



            Do you remember what it means for a function to be differentiable at a point? The function has to have a derivative at that point. What is the derivative of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$ at $x=0$? Well, it should be:



            $$
            lim_xto0fracsinx-sin0x-0=lim_xto0fracsinxx
            $$



            Which is nothing more than two one-sided limits (if those two limits exist and are equal to each other, the limit itself exists):



            $$
            lim_xto0^-fracsinxx, lim_xto0^+fracsinxx
            $$

            But the first of those two limits for all intents and purposes is nonexistent because all x values that lie to the left of $0$ are not in the domain of the function $f(x)=sinx, xin[0,pi]$. For a limit to exist, you need two one-sided limits. But you've got only one! Thus, the derivative at $x=0$ does not exist which makes it a critical number. The exact same idea applies to the other endpoint.







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              I get your logic. But don't we have a definition for derivative at end points. We only take one sided derivatives at the end points. Do you have any book/source to back up your answer ? Thank you for your help
              $endgroup$
              – rajdeep dhingra
              4 hours ago











            • $begingroup$
              Well, you can look it up on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differentiable_function Wikipedia is more or less a reliable and authoritative source of information when it comes to mathematics.
              $endgroup$
              – Michael Rybkin
              4 hours ago











            • $begingroup$
              They have mentioned on that Wikipedia page that , the they are taking in an open interval U. Whereas what I am asking here is a closed interval case.
              $endgroup$
              – rajdeep dhingra
              4 hours ago











            • $begingroup$
              It says quite clearly at the beginning of the second paragraph: More generally, if $x_0$ is a point in the domain of a function $f$, then $f$ is said to be differentiable at $x_0$ if the derivative $f '(x_0)$ exists. It follows that if the point $x_0$ is in the domain of the function and the derivative $f '(x_0)$ does not exist, then the function is non-differentiable at that point.
              $endgroup$
              – Michael Rybkin
              4 hours ago











            • $begingroup$
              To put it simply, a derivative is basically a formula for the slope of the tangent line to a curve. If there is no curve to speak of to the left of a point, there cannot be a tangle line at that point.
              $endgroup$
              – Michael Rybkin
              4 hours ago

















            • $begingroup$
              I get your logic. But don't we have a definition for derivative at end points. We only take one sided derivatives at the end points. Do you have any book/source to back up your answer ? Thank you for your help
              $endgroup$
              – rajdeep dhingra
              4 hours ago











            • $begingroup$
              Well, you can look it up on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differentiable_function Wikipedia is more or less a reliable and authoritative source of information when it comes to mathematics.
              $endgroup$
              – Michael Rybkin
              4 hours ago











            • $begingroup$
              They have mentioned on that Wikipedia page that , the they are taking in an open interval U. Whereas what I am asking here is a closed interval case.
              $endgroup$
              – rajdeep dhingra
              4 hours ago











            • $begingroup$
              It says quite clearly at the beginning of the second paragraph: More generally, if $x_0$ is a point in the domain of a function $f$, then $f$ is said to be differentiable at $x_0$ if the derivative $f '(x_0)$ exists. It follows that if the point $x_0$ is in the domain of the function and the derivative $f '(x_0)$ does not exist, then the function is non-differentiable at that point.
              $endgroup$
              – Michael Rybkin
              4 hours ago











            • $begingroup$
              To put it simply, a derivative is basically a formula for the slope of the tangent line to a curve. If there is no curve to speak of to the left of a point, there cannot be a tangle line at that point.
              $endgroup$
              – Michael Rybkin
              4 hours ago
















            $begingroup$
            I get your logic. But don't we have a definition for derivative at end points. We only take one sided derivatives at the end points. Do you have any book/source to back up your answer ? Thank you for your help
            $endgroup$
            – rajdeep dhingra
            4 hours ago





            $begingroup$
            I get your logic. But don't we have a definition for derivative at end points. We only take one sided derivatives at the end points. Do you have any book/source to back up your answer ? Thank you for your help
            $endgroup$
            – rajdeep dhingra
            4 hours ago













            $begingroup$
            Well, you can look it up on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differentiable_function Wikipedia is more or less a reliable and authoritative source of information when it comes to mathematics.
            $endgroup$
            – Michael Rybkin
            4 hours ago





            $begingroup$
            Well, you can look it up on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differentiable_function Wikipedia is more or less a reliable and authoritative source of information when it comes to mathematics.
            $endgroup$
            – Michael Rybkin
            4 hours ago













            $begingroup$
            They have mentioned on that Wikipedia page that , the they are taking in an open interval U. Whereas what I am asking here is a closed interval case.
            $endgroup$
            – rajdeep dhingra
            4 hours ago





            $begingroup$
            They have mentioned on that Wikipedia page that , the they are taking in an open interval U. Whereas what I am asking here is a closed interval case.
            $endgroup$
            – rajdeep dhingra
            4 hours ago













            $begingroup$
            It says quite clearly at the beginning of the second paragraph: More generally, if $x_0$ is a point in the domain of a function $f$, then $f$ is said to be differentiable at $x_0$ if the derivative $f '(x_0)$ exists. It follows that if the point $x_0$ is in the domain of the function and the derivative $f '(x_0)$ does not exist, then the function is non-differentiable at that point.
            $endgroup$
            – Michael Rybkin
            4 hours ago





            $begingroup$
            It says quite clearly at the beginning of the second paragraph: More generally, if $x_0$ is a point in the domain of a function $f$, then $f$ is said to be differentiable at $x_0$ if the derivative $f '(x_0)$ exists. It follows that if the point $x_0$ is in the domain of the function and the derivative $f '(x_0)$ does not exist, then the function is non-differentiable at that point.
            $endgroup$
            – Michael Rybkin
            4 hours ago













            $begingroup$
            To put it simply, a derivative is basically a formula for the slope of the tangent line to a curve. If there is no curve to speak of to the left of a point, there cannot be a tangle line at that point.
            $endgroup$
            – Michael Rybkin
            4 hours ago





            $begingroup$
            To put it simply, a derivative is basically a formula for the slope of the tangent line to a curve. If there is no curve to speak of to the left of a point, there cannot be a tangle line at that point.
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            – Michael Rybkin
            4 hours ago












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            $$f'(x) = cos(x) = 0 iff x = fracpi2$$
            The function $f$ has only one critical point, since the derivative ($f'(x) = cos(x)$) exists at the endpoints. ($0$ and $pi$.)






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              $$f'(x) = cos(x) = 0 iff x = fracpi2$$
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                The function $f$ has only one critical point, since the derivative ($f'(x) = cos(x)$) exists at the endpoints. ($0$ and $pi$.)







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