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Let's say I hypothesize that a graph of $ln K$ vs. $1/T$ has a slope of $-∆G^circ/R$ and a $y$-intercept of $0$. I prove it simply:



$$∆G^circ = -RTln K quadtoquad ln K = -frac∆G^circRT$$



This matches the linear form $y = mx + b$. Thus, plotting $ln K$ vs. $1/T$ would have a slope $m = -∆G^circ/R$ and a $y$-intercept $b = 0$.



However, I understand that a van't Hoff plot defines a graph of $ln K$ vs. $1/T$ to have a slope of $-ΔH^circ/R$ and a $y$-intercept of $∆S^circ/R$. It is clear from the relation $∆G^circ = ∆H^circ - TΔS^circ$ that my final equation is thermodynamically equivalent to the van't Hoff equation. I do not disagree that



$$ln K = frac∆H^circRT - frac∆S^circR,$$



but if I were to experimentally measure temperature and calculate the equilibrium constant temperature, why should I expect the y-intercept to be $∆S^circ/R$ as defined by van't Hoff rather than $0$ as I defined above? Why should I expect the slope to be $-ΔH^circ/R$ instead of $-ΔG^circ/R$? What makes the van't Hoff equation match experimentally determined values over the equation $ln K = -∆G^circ/(RT)$?










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    $begingroup$


    Let's say I hypothesize that a graph of $ln K$ vs. $1/T$ has a slope of $-∆G^circ/R$ and a $y$-intercept of $0$. I prove it simply:



    $$∆G^circ = -RTln K quadtoquad ln K = -frac∆G^circRT$$



    This matches the linear form $y = mx + b$. Thus, plotting $ln K$ vs. $1/T$ would have a slope $m = -∆G^circ/R$ and a $y$-intercept $b = 0$.



    However, I understand that a van't Hoff plot defines a graph of $ln K$ vs. $1/T$ to have a slope of $-ΔH^circ/R$ and a $y$-intercept of $∆S^circ/R$. It is clear from the relation $∆G^circ = ∆H^circ - TΔS^circ$ that my final equation is thermodynamically equivalent to the van't Hoff equation. I do not disagree that



    $$ln K = frac∆H^circRT - frac∆S^circR,$$



    but if I were to experimentally measure temperature and calculate the equilibrium constant temperature, why should I expect the y-intercept to be $∆S^circ/R$ as defined by van't Hoff rather than $0$ as I defined above? Why should I expect the slope to be $-ΔH^circ/R$ instead of $-ΔG^circ/R$? What makes the van't Hoff equation match experimentally determined values over the equation $ln K = -∆G^circ/(RT)$?










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      Let's say I hypothesize that a graph of $ln K$ vs. $1/T$ has a slope of $-∆G^circ/R$ and a $y$-intercept of $0$. I prove it simply:



      $$∆G^circ = -RTln K quadtoquad ln K = -frac∆G^circRT$$



      This matches the linear form $y = mx + b$. Thus, plotting $ln K$ vs. $1/T$ would have a slope $m = -∆G^circ/R$ and a $y$-intercept $b = 0$.



      However, I understand that a van't Hoff plot defines a graph of $ln K$ vs. $1/T$ to have a slope of $-ΔH^circ/R$ and a $y$-intercept of $∆S^circ/R$. It is clear from the relation $∆G^circ = ∆H^circ - TΔS^circ$ that my final equation is thermodynamically equivalent to the van't Hoff equation. I do not disagree that



      $$ln K = frac∆H^circRT - frac∆S^circR,$$



      but if I were to experimentally measure temperature and calculate the equilibrium constant temperature, why should I expect the y-intercept to be $∆S^circ/R$ as defined by van't Hoff rather than $0$ as I defined above? Why should I expect the slope to be $-ΔH^circ/R$ instead of $-ΔG^circ/R$? What makes the van't Hoff equation match experimentally determined values over the equation $ln K = -∆G^circ/(RT)$?










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      Let's say I hypothesize that a graph of $ln K$ vs. $1/T$ has a slope of $-∆G^circ/R$ and a $y$-intercept of $0$. I prove it simply:



      $$∆G^circ = -RTln K quadtoquad ln K = -frac∆G^circRT$$



      This matches the linear form $y = mx + b$. Thus, plotting $ln K$ vs. $1/T$ would have a slope $m = -∆G^circ/R$ and a $y$-intercept $b = 0$.



      However, I understand that a van't Hoff plot defines a graph of $ln K$ vs. $1/T$ to have a slope of $-ΔH^circ/R$ and a $y$-intercept of $∆S^circ/R$. It is clear from the relation $∆G^circ = ∆H^circ - TΔS^circ$ that my final equation is thermodynamically equivalent to the van't Hoff equation. I do not disagree that



      $$ln K = frac∆H^circRT - frac∆S^circR,$$



      but if I were to experimentally measure temperature and calculate the equilibrium constant temperature, why should I expect the y-intercept to be $∆S^circ/R$ as defined by van't Hoff rather than $0$ as I defined above? Why should I expect the slope to be $-ΔH^circ/R$ instead of $-ΔG^circ/R$? What makes the van't Hoff equation match experimentally determined values over the equation $ln K = -∆G^circ/(RT)$?







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          In the linear form $y = mx + b$, both $m$ and $b$ are constants, i.e. they don't depend on $x$. On the other hand, $Delta G^circ$ definitely depends on the temperature (and consequently on its inverse $1/T$). So if you plot a function $$f(x) = m x$$ where $m$ is not a constant but a function dependent on $x$, you might get something unexpected. In your case, $x$ is $1/T$ and $$m = -fracDelta HR + fracT Delta SR$$



          The $y$-intercept corresponds to an infinitely high temperature where $-fracDelta HR times frac1T$ tends to zero and $fracT Delta SR times frac1T$ cancels to be just $fracDelta SR$.






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            In the linear form $y = mx + b$, both $m$ and $b$ are constants, i.e. they don't depend on $x$. On the other hand, $Delta G^circ$ definitely depends on the temperature (and consequently on its inverse $1/T$). So if you plot a function $$f(x) = m x$$ where $m$ is not a constant but a function dependent on $x$, you might get something unexpected. In your case, $x$ is $1/T$ and $$m = -fracDelta HR + fracT Delta SR$$



            The $y$-intercept corresponds to an infinitely high temperature where $-fracDelta HR times frac1T$ tends to zero and $fracT Delta SR times frac1T$ cancels to be just $fracDelta SR$.






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              In the linear form $y = mx + b$, both $m$ and $b$ are constants, i.e. they don't depend on $x$. On the other hand, $Delta G^circ$ definitely depends on the temperature (and consequently on its inverse $1/T$). So if you plot a function $$f(x) = m x$$ where $m$ is not a constant but a function dependent on $x$, you might get something unexpected. In your case, $x$ is $1/T$ and $$m = -fracDelta HR + fracT Delta SR$$



              The $y$-intercept corresponds to an infinitely high temperature where $-fracDelta HR times frac1T$ tends to zero and $fracT Delta SR times frac1T$ cancels to be just $fracDelta SR$.






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                The $y$-intercept corresponds to an infinitely high temperature where $-fracDelta HR times frac1T$ tends to zero and $fracT Delta SR times frac1T$ cancels to be just $fracDelta SR$.






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                In the linear form $y = mx + b$, both $m$ and $b$ are constants, i.e. they don't depend on $x$. On the other hand, $Delta G^circ$ definitely depends on the temperature (and consequently on its inverse $1/T$). So if you plot a function $$f(x) = m x$$ where $m$ is not a constant but a function dependent on $x$, you might get something unexpected. In your case, $x$ is $1/T$ and $$m = -fracDelta HR + fracT Delta SR$$



                The $y$-intercept corresponds to an infinitely high temperature where $-fracDelta HR times frac1T$ tends to zero and $fracT Delta SR times frac1T$ cancels to be just $fracDelta SR$.







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