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Proving the given two groups are isomorphic
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So I am given a group $mathbb R^3$ and a group $H$ = $(y,0,0). I have to prove that that $mathbb R^3/H$ $cong$ $mathbb R^2$. I am not sure how to even begin. My difficulty is coming up with a map between the the two sets. I have already verified that $H unlhd mathbb R^3$. So all I know is $mathbb R^3/H$ is a group. Also, from first isomorphism theorem, I know that the group is isomorphic to the image of the map $f: mathbb R^3 to A$, and I do not know what that $A$ is supposed to be. Today is the first day I learned about isomorphism, and I am very confused what is going on. Can anyone provide some help on this?
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So I am given a group $mathbb R^3$ and a group $H$ = $(y,0,0). I have to prove that that $mathbb R^3/H$ $cong$ $mathbb R^2$. I am not sure how to even begin. My difficulty is coming up with a map between the the two sets. I have already verified that $H unlhd mathbb R^3$. So all I know is $mathbb R^3/H$ is a group. Also, from first isomorphism theorem, I know that the group is isomorphic to the image of the map $f: mathbb R^3 to A$, and I do not know what that $A$ is supposed to be. Today is the first day I learned about isomorphism, and I am very confused what is going on. Can anyone provide some help on this?
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So I am given a group $mathbb R^3$ and a group $H$ = $(y,0,0). I have to prove that that $mathbb R^3/H$ $cong$ $mathbb R^2$. I am not sure how to even begin. My difficulty is coming up with a map between the the two sets. I have already verified that $H unlhd mathbb R^3$. So all I know is $mathbb R^3/H$ is a group. Also, from first isomorphism theorem, I know that the group is isomorphic to the image of the map $f: mathbb R^3 to A$, and I do not know what that $A$ is supposed to be. Today is the first day I learned about isomorphism, and I am very confused what is going on. Can anyone provide some help on this?
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So I am given a group $mathbb R^3$ and a group $H$ = $(y,0,0). I have to prove that that $mathbb R^3/H$ $cong$ $mathbb R^2$. I am not sure how to even begin. My difficulty is coming up with a map between the the two sets. I have already verified that $H unlhd mathbb R^3$. So all I know is $mathbb R^3/H$ is a group. Also, from first isomorphism theorem, I know that the group is isomorphic to the image of the map $f: mathbb R^3 to A$, and I do not know what that $A$ is supposed to be. Today is the first day I learned about isomorphism, and I am very confused what is going on. Can anyone provide some help on this?
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The first isomorphism theorem asserts that, if $varphi: Ato B$ is a surjective homomorphism, then $Bcong A/kervarphi$. In your problem, you wish to show $mathbb R^2congmathbb R^3/H $, so a natural guess would be to take $A=mathbb R^3$ and $B=mathbb R^2$. Now it remains to construct the homomorphism so that $kervarphi=H$. I will leave the rest to you.
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We can use the first isomorphism theorem for groups here as you indicated. Consider the map $f : mathbbR^3 longrightarrow mathbbR^2$ as follows, $f(x,y,z) = (y,y+z)$. First, we show that this map is a well-defined group homomorphism and next show that $H = y in mathbbR $ is its kernel.
If $(x_1,y_1,z_1) = (x_2,y_2,z_2)$ then $f(x_1,y_1,z_1) = f(x_2,y_2,z_2)$ hence map is well defined.
Next we show this map is homomorphism. $f((x_1,y_1,z_1) + (x_2,y_2,z_2)) = f(x_1+x_2,y_1+y_2,z_1+z_2) = (y_1+y_2, (y_1+y_2)+(z_1+z_2)) = (y_1+y_2, (y_1+z_1)+(y_2+z_2) = (y_1,y_1+z_1) + (y_2,y_2+z_2) = f(x_1,y_1,z_1) +f(x_2,y_2,z_2). textMoreover, f(0,0,0) = (0,0)$
The kernel of this map is seen to be all $(x,y,z) in mathbbR$ such that $y,z$ are $0$ , i.e., $H$.
Hence first isomorphism theorem applies and $ mathbbR^3/H equiv mathbbR^2.$
answered 36 mins ago
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I came up with something similar, but what about the map $f((x,y,z)) = (y,z)$? I think this one should be fine too, right?
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Yes, that will also work.
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The first isomorphism theorem asserts that, if $varphi: Ato B$ is a surjective homomorphism, then $Bcong A/kervarphi$. In your problem, you wish to show $mathbb R^2congmathbb R^3/H $, so a natural guess would be to take $A=mathbb R^3$ and $B=mathbb R^2$. Now it remains to construct the homomorphism so that $kervarphi=H$. I will leave the rest to you.
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The first isomorphism theorem asserts that, if $varphi: Ato B$ is a surjective homomorphism, then $Bcong A/kervarphi$. In your problem, you wish to show $mathbb R^2congmathbb R^3/H $, so a natural guess would be to take $A=mathbb R^3$ and $B=mathbb R^2$. Now it remains to construct the homomorphism so that $kervarphi=H$. I will leave the rest to you.
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The first isomorphism theorem asserts that, if $varphi: Ato B$ is a surjective homomorphism, then $Bcong A/kervarphi$. In your problem, you wish to show $mathbb R^2congmathbb R^3/H $, so a natural guess would be to take $A=mathbb R^3$ and $B=mathbb R^2$. Now it remains to construct the homomorphism so that $kervarphi=H$. I will leave the rest to you.
answered 42 mins ago
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The first isomorphism theorem asserts that, if $varphi: Ato B$ is a surjective homomorphism, then $Bcong A/kervarphi$. In your problem, you wish to show $mathbb R^2congmathbb R^3/H $, so a natural guess would be to take $A=mathbb R^3$ and $B=mathbb R^2$. Now it remains to construct the homomorphism so that $kervarphi=H$. I will leave the rest to you.
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We can use the first isomorphism theorem for groups here as you indicated. Consider the map $f : mathbbR^3 longrightarrow mathbbR^2$ as follows, $f(x,y,z) = (y,y+z)$. First, we show that this map is a well-defined group homomorphism and next show that $H = y in mathbbR $ is its kernel.
If $(x_1,y_1,z_1) = (x_2,y_2,z_2)$ then $f(x_1,y_1,z_1) = f(x_2,y_2,z_2)$ hence map is well defined.
Next we show this map is homomorphism. $f((x_1,y_1,z_1) + (x_2,y_2,z_2)) = f(x_1+x_2,y_1+y_2,z_1+z_2) = (y_1+y_2, (y_1+y_2)+(z_1+z_2)) = (y_1+y_2, (y_1+z_1)+(y_2+z_2) = (y_1,y_1+z_1) + (y_2,y_2+z_2) = f(x_1,y_1,z_1) +f(x_2,y_2,z_2). textMoreover, f(0,0,0) = (0,0)$
The kernel of this map is seen to be all $(x,y,z) in mathbbR$ such that $y,z$ are $0$ , i.e., $H$.
Hence first isomorphism theorem applies and $ mathbbR^3/H equiv mathbbR^2.$
answered 36 mins ago
Mayank MishraMayank Mishra
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I came up with something similar, but what about the map $f((x,y,z)) = (y,z)$? I think this one should be fine too, right?
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– Ufomammut
34 mins ago
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Yes, that will also work.
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– Mayank Mishra
31 mins ago
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$begingroup$
We can use the first isomorphism theorem for groups here as you indicated. Consider the map $f : mathbbR^3 longrightarrow mathbbR^2$ as follows, $f(x,y,z) = (y,y+z)$. First, we show that this map is a well-defined group homomorphism and next show that $H = y in mathbbR $ is its kernel.
If $(x_1,y_1,z_1) = (x_2,y_2,z_2)$ then $f(x_1,y_1,z_1) = f(x_2,y_2,z_2)$ hence map is well defined.
Next we show this map is homomorphism. $f((x_1,y_1,z_1) + (x_2,y_2,z_2)) = f(x_1+x_2,y_1+y_2,z_1+z_2) = (y_1+y_2, (y_1+y_2)+(z_1+z_2)) = (y_1+y_2, (y_1+z_1)+(y_2+z_2) = (y_1,y_1+z_1) + (y_2,y_2+z_2) = f(x_1,y_1,z_1) +f(x_2,y_2,z_2). textMoreover, f(0,0,0) = (0,0)$
The kernel of this map is seen to be all $(x,y,z) in mathbbR$ such that $y,z$ are $0$ , i.e., $H$.
Hence first isomorphism theorem applies and $ mathbbR^3/H equiv mathbbR^2.$
answered 36 mins ago
Mayank MishraMayank Mishra
1068
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I came up with something similar, but what about the map $f((x,y,z)) = (y,z)$? I think this one should be fine too, right?
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– Ufomammut
34 mins ago
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Yes, that will also work.
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– Mayank Mishra
31 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
We can use the first isomorphism theorem for groups here as you indicated. Consider the map $f : mathbbR^3 longrightarrow mathbbR^2$ as follows, $f(x,y,z) = (y,y+z)$. First, we show that this map is a well-defined group homomorphism and next show that $H = y in mathbbR $ is its kernel.
If $(x_1,y_1,z_1) = (x_2,y_2,z_2)$ then $f(x_1,y_1,z_1) = f(x_2,y_2,z_2)$ hence map is well defined.
Next we show this map is homomorphism. $f((x_1,y_1,z_1) + (x_2,y_2,z_2)) = f(x_1+x_2,y_1+y_2,z_1+z_2) = (y_1+y_2, (y_1+y_2)+(z_1+z_2)) = (y_1+y_2, (y_1+z_1)+(y_2+z_2) = (y_1,y_1+z_1) + (y_2,y_2+z_2) = f(x_1,y_1,z_1) +f(x_2,y_2,z_2). textMoreover, f(0,0,0) = (0,0)$
The kernel of this map is seen to be all $(x,y,z) in mathbbR$ such that $y,z$ are $0$ , i.e., $H$.
Hence first isomorphism theorem applies and $ mathbbR^3/H equiv mathbbR^2.$
answered 36 mins ago
Mayank MishraMayank Mishra
1068
$endgroup$
We can use the first isomorphism theorem for groups here as you indicated. Consider the map $f : mathbbR^3 longrightarrow mathbbR^2$ as follows, $f(x,y,z) = (y,y+z)$. First, we show that this map is a well-defined group homomorphism and next show that $H = y in mathbbR $ is its kernel.
If $(x_1,y_1,z_1) = (x_2,y_2,z_2)$ then $f(x_1,y_1,z_1) = f(x_2,y_2,z_2)$ hence map is well defined.
Next we show this map is homomorphism. $f((x_1,y_1,z_1) + (x_2,y_2,z_2)) = f(x_1+x_2,y_1+y_2,z_1+z_2) = (y_1+y_2, (y_1+y_2)+(z_1+z_2)) = (y_1+y_2, (y_1+z_1)+(y_2+z_2) = (y_1,y_1+z_1) + (y_2,y_2+z_2) = f(x_1,y_1,z_1) +f(x_2,y_2,z_2). textMoreover, f(0,0,0) = (0,0)$
The kernel of this map is seen to be all $(x,y,z) in mathbbR$ such that $y,z$ are $0$ , i.e., $H$.
Hence first isomorphism theorem applies and $ mathbbR^3/H equiv mathbbR^2.$
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I came up with something similar, but what about the map $f((x,y,z)) = (y,z)$? I think this one should be fine too, right?
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– Ufomammut
34 mins ago
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Yes, that will also work.
$endgroup$
– Mayank Mishra
31 mins ago
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I came up with something similar, but what about the map $f((x,y,z)) = (y,z)$? I think this one should be fine too, right?
$endgroup$
– Ufomammut
34 mins ago
$begingroup$
Yes, that will also work.
$endgroup$
– Mayank Mishra
31 mins ago
$begingroup$
I came up with something similar, but what about the map $f((x,y,z)) = (y,z)$? I think this one should be fine too, right?
$endgroup$
– Ufomammut
34 mins ago
$begingroup$
I came up with something similar, but what about the map $f((x,y,z)) = (y,z)$? I think this one should be fine too, right?
$endgroup$
– Ufomammut
34 mins ago
$begingroup$
Yes, that will also work.
$endgroup$
– Mayank Mishra
31 mins ago
$begingroup$
Yes, that will also work.
$endgroup$
– Mayank Mishra
31 mins ago
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