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First use of “packing” as in carrying a gun
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A friend is using the sentence, “Nobody was packing there,” in an historical novel set in the 1885-90 timeframe.
I suspect “packing” was not used in this slang format until 30-40 years later?
Does anyone have corroboration?
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A friend is using the sentence, “Nobody was packing there,” in an historical novel set in the 1885-90 timeframe.
I suspect “packing” was not used in this slang format until 30-40 years later?
Does anyone have corroboration?
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A friend is using the sentence, “Nobody was packing there,” in an historical novel set in the 1885-90 timeframe.
I suspect “packing” was not used in this slang format until 30-40 years later?
Does anyone have corroboration?
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A friend is using the sentence, “Nobody was packing there,” in an historical novel set in the 1885-90 timeframe.
I suspect “packing” was not used in this slang format until 30-40 years later?
Does anyone have corroboration?
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Possible duplicate of What does “packing heat” mean?
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1898:
He passed in between his horse and that of his son's, "and got on the
west side of my son, and said to him: 'You are packing a gun for me,
and now, then, God damn you, use it' " At this, witness wheeled his
horse, and jumped off.
The Southwestern Reporter, June 27 -- August 22, 1898
Ngram finds one earlier use of "packing a gun", but it appears to refer to loading a cannon.
answered 3 hours ago
Hot LicksHot Licks
19.5k23777
OP thinks that packing meaning "carrying a gun".
– Ubi hatt
3 hours ago
@Ubihatt - And that is the sense that the above quote appears to be using.
– Hot Licks
3 hours ago
1
I always thought it was just short for packing heat.
– KarlG
3 hours ago
@KarlG yep! you are correct. Packing heat means carrying a gun.
– Ubi hatt
3 hours ago
@Ubihatt - I don't understand. If you read the context (click on the link) the quote clearly refers to carrying a gun. "Packing heat" didn't enter the argot until the 1980s.
– Hot Licks
3 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
Packing meaning to carry a firearm is a shortened form of packing a gun/pistol etc., which emerges in the Western and Southwestern states and territories at least by the 1870s:
We should be glad to see William out of his troubles but he must quit “packing a pistol” and playing fighter. — Carson Daily Appeal (Carson City NV), 14 May 1873.
Q. The other men who came up, what did they come up for? —A. I didn’t see them until they got right up there.
Q. Did they have anything in their hands? —A. They were packing guns. — Modoc War, US House of Representatives, Message from the President [Grant], Washington DC, 1874.
The quotation marks around the phrase in the Nevada newspaper suggests a fairly new usage.
I suspect that the shortened form, i. e., with no direct object, is a late 20th c. innovation:
The brothers were packing, but that was not unusual; the Party was under surveillance at the time because of the fear of us starting trouble in Oakland after Dr. King's death … — Earl Anthony, Picking Up the Gun: a Report on the Black Panthers, 1970, 107.
Your friend is safe using pack a pistol etc., but it would be wise not to use the verb without a direct object for a narrative set in the late 19th c.
answered 1 hour ago
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from Etymonline.com pack
Sense of "to carry or convey in a pack" (1805) led to general sense of
"to carry in any manner;" hence to pack heat "carry a gun,"
and
1865 Atlantic Monthly One of the best of Rosecrans's scouts..lost
his life because he would..‘pack’ (carry) his gun.
answered 2 hours ago
lbflbf
22.3k22575
Where did you dig up the Atlantic Monthly quote? It didn’t show up in a COHA collocation search.
– KarlG
1 hour ago
You can find the entire October 1865 Atlantic quote here. Interestingly, the context involves a "scout" from eastern Kentucky working for the U.S. army who was found out by southern troops in the Confederate army because his dialect and habits differed from those of soldiers who really were from the mountains of Alabama, as he claimed to be.
– Sven Yargs
16 mins ago
Also of interest, from deposition taken March 19, 1869, from Andrew Hampton in Barnes vs. Adams: "Q. Did you never carry a gun, and go in company with Union soldiers ; and were you ever in the service as a soldier? — A. I have packed a gun to try to protect myself and my property, and to try to keep these men from stealing my property. I never was a soldier in any army."
– Sven Yargs
5 mins ago
add a comment |
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1898:
He passed in between his horse and that of his son's, "and got on the
west side of my son, and said to him: 'You are packing a gun for me,
and now, then, God damn you, use it' " At this, witness wheeled his
horse, and jumped off.
The Southwestern Reporter, June 27 -- August 22, 1898
Ngram finds one earlier use of "packing a gun", but it appears to refer to loading a cannon.
answered 3 hours ago
Hot LicksHot Licks
19.5k23777
OP thinks that packing meaning "carrying a gun".
– Ubi hatt
3 hours ago
@Ubihatt - And that is the sense that the above quote appears to be using.
– Hot Licks
3 hours ago
1
I always thought it was just short for packing heat.
– KarlG
3 hours ago
@KarlG yep! you are correct. Packing heat means carrying a gun.
– Ubi hatt
3 hours ago
@Ubihatt - I don't understand. If you read the context (click on the link) the quote clearly refers to carrying a gun. "Packing heat" didn't enter the argot until the 1980s.
– Hot Licks
3 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
1898:
He passed in between his horse and that of his son's, "and got on the
west side of my son, and said to him: 'You are packing a gun for me,
and now, then, God damn you, use it' " At this, witness wheeled his
horse, and jumped off.
The Southwestern Reporter, June 27 -- August 22, 1898
Ngram finds one earlier use of "packing a gun", but it appears to refer to loading a cannon.
answered 3 hours ago
Hot LicksHot Licks
19.5k23777
OP thinks that packing meaning "carrying a gun".
– Ubi hatt
3 hours ago
@Ubihatt - And that is the sense that the above quote appears to be using.
– Hot Licks
3 hours ago
1
I always thought it was just short for packing heat.
– KarlG
3 hours ago
@KarlG yep! you are correct. Packing heat means carrying a gun.
– Ubi hatt
3 hours ago
@Ubihatt - I don't understand. If you read the context (click on the link) the quote clearly refers to carrying a gun. "Packing heat" didn't enter the argot until the 1980s.
– Hot Licks
3 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
1898:
He passed in between his horse and that of his son's, "and got on the
west side of my son, and said to him: 'You are packing a gun for me,
and now, then, God damn you, use it' " At this, witness wheeled his
horse, and jumped off.
The Southwestern Reporter, June 27 -- August 22, 1898
Ngram finds one earlier use of "packing a gun", but it appears to refer to loading a cannon.
answered 3 hours ago
Hot LicksHot Licks
19.5k23777
1898:
He passed in between his horse and that of his son's, "and got on the
west side of my son, and said to him: 'You are packing a gun for me,
and now, then, God damn you, use it' " At this, witness wheeled his
horse, and jumped off.
The Southwestern Reporter, June 27 -- August 22, 1898
Ngram finds one earlier use of "packing a gun", but it appears to refer to loading a cannon.
answered 3 hours ago
Hot LicksHot Licks
19.5k23777
answered 3 hours ago
Hot LicksHot Licks
19.5k23777
answered 3 hours ago
Hot LicksHot Licks
19.5k23777
answered 3 hours ago
Hot LicksHot Licks
19.5k23777
19.5k23777
OP thinks that packing meaning "carrying a gun".
– Ubi hatt
3 hours ago
@Ubihatt - And that is the sense that the above quote appears to be using.
– Hot Licks
3 hours ago
1
I always thought it was just short for packing heat.
– KarlG
3 hours ago
@KarlG yep! you are correct. Packing heat means carrying a gun.
– Ubi hatt
3 hours ago
@Ubihatt - I don't understand. If you read the context (click on the link) the quote clearly refers to carrying a gun. "Packing heat" didn't enter the argot until the 1980s.
– Hot Licks
3 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
OP thinks that packing meaning "carrying a gun".
– Ubi hatt
3 hours ago
@Ubihatt - And that is the sense that the above quote appears to be using.
– Hot Licks
3 hours ago
1
I always thought it was just short for packing heat.
– KarlG
3 hours ago
@KarlG yep! you are correct. Packing heat means carrying a gun.
– Ubi hatt
3 hours ago
@Ubihatt - I don't understand. If you read the context (click on the link) the quote clearly refers to carrying a gun. "Packing heat" didn't enter the argot until the 1980s.
– Hot Licks
3 hours ago
OP thinks that packing meaning "carrying a gun".
– Ubi hatt
3 hours ago
OP thinks that packing meaning "carrying a gun".
– Ubi hatt
3 hours ago
@Ubihatt - And that is the sense that the above quote appears to be using.
– Hot Licks
3 hours ago
@Ubihatt - And that is the sense that the above quote appears to be using.
– Hot Licks
3 hours ago
1
1
I always thought it was just short for packing heat.
– KarlG
3 hours ago
I always thought it was just short for packing heat.
– KarlG
3 hours ago
@KarlG yep! you are correct. Packing heat means carrying a gun.
– Ubi hatt
3 hours ago
@KarlG yep! you are correct. Packing heat means carrying a gun.
– Ubi hatt
3 hours ago
@Ubihatt - I don't understand. If you read the context (click on the link) the quote clearly refers to carrying a gun. "Packing heat" didn't enter the argot until the 1980s.
– Hot Licks
3 hours ago
@Ubihatt - I don't understand. If you read the context (click on the link) the quote clearly refers to carrying a gun. "Packing heat" didn't enter the argot until the 1980s.
– Hot Licks
3 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
Packing meaning to carry a firearm is a shortened form of packing a gun/pistol etc., which emerges in the Western and Southwestern states and territories at least by the 1870s:
We should be glad to see William out of his troubles but he must quit “packing a pistol” and playing fighter. — Carson Daily Appeal (Carson City NV), 14 May 1873.
Q. The other men who came up, what did they come up for? —A. I didn’t see them until they got right up there.
Q. Did they have anything in their hands? —A. They were packing guns. — Modoc War, US House of Representatives, Message from the President [Grant], Washington DC, 1874.
The quotation marks around the phrase in the Nevada newspaper suggests a fairly new usage.
I suspect that the shortened form, i. e., with no direct object, is a late 20th c. innovation:
The brothers were packing, but that was not unusual; the Party was under surveillance at the time because of the fear of us starting trouble in Oakland after Dr. King's death … — Earl Anthony, Picking Up the Gun: a Report on the Black Panthers, 1970, 107.
Your friend is safe using pack a pistol etc., but it would be wise not to use the verb without a direct object for a narrative set in the late 19th c.
answered 1 hour ago
KarlGKarlG
23.8k73566
add a comment |
Packing meaning to carry a firearm is a shortened form of packing a gun/pistol etc., which emerges in the Western and Southwestern states and territories at least by the 1870s:
We should be glad to see William out of his troubles but he must quit “packing a pistol” and playing fighter. — Carson Daily Appeal (Carson City NV), 14 May 1873.
Q. The other men who came up, what did they come up for? —A. I didn’t see them until they got right up there.
Q. Did they have anything in their hands? —A. They were packing guns. — Modoc War, US House of Representatives, Message from the President [Grant], Washington DC, 1874.
The quotation marks around the phrase in the Nevada newspaper suggests a fairly new usage.
I suspect that the shortened form, i. e., with no direct object, is a late 20th c. innovation:
The brothers were packing, but that was not unusual; the Party was under surveillance at the time because of the fear of us starting trouble in Oakland after Dr. King's death … — Earl Anthony, Picking Up the Gun: a Report on the Black Panthers, 1970, 107.
Your friend is safe using pack a pistol etc., but it would be wise not to use the verb without a direct object for a narrative set in the late 19th c.
answered 1 hour ago
KarlGKarlG
23.8k73566
add a comment |
Packing meaning to carry a firearm is a shortened form of packing a gun/pistol etc., which emerges in the Western and Southwestern states and territories at least by the 1870s:
We should be glad to see William out of his troubles but he must quit “packing a pistol” and playing fighter. — Carson Daily Appeal (Carson City NV), 14 May 1873.
Q. The other men who came up, what did they come up for? —A. I didn’t see them until they got right up there.
Q. Did they have anything in their hands? —A. They were packing guns. — Modoc War, US House of Representatives, Message from the President [Grant], Washington DC, 1874.
The quotation marks around the phrase in the Nevada newspaper suggests a fairly new usage.
I suspect that the shortened form, i. e., with no direct object, is a late 20th c. innovation:
The brothers were packing, but that was not unusual; the Party was under surveillance at the time because of the fear of us starting trouble in Oakland after Dr. King's death … — Earl Anthony, Picking Up the Gun: a Report on the Black Panthers, 1970, 107.
Your friend is safe using pack a pistol etc., but it would be wise not to use the verb without a direct object for a narrative set in the late 19th c.
answered 1 hour ago
KarlGKarlG
23.8k73566
Packing meaning to carry a firearm is a shortened form of packing a gun/pistol etc., which emerges in the Western and Southwestern states and territories at least by the 1870s:
We should be glad to see William out of his troubles but he must quit “packing a pistol” and playing fighter. — Carson Daily Appeal (Carson City NV), 14 May 1873.
Q. The other men who came up, what did they come up for? —A. I didn’t see them until they got right up there.
Q. Did they have anything in their hands? —A. They were packing guns. — Modoc War, US House of Representatives, Message from the President [Grant], Washington DC, 1874.
The quotation marks around the phrase in the Nevada newspaper suggests a fairly new usage.
I suspect that the shortened form, i. e., with no direct object, is a late 20th c. innovation:
The brothers were packing, but that was not unusual; the Party was under surveillance at the time because of the fear of us starting trouble in Oakland after Dr. King's death … — Earl Anthony, Picking Up the Gun: a Report on the Black Panthers, 1970, 107.
Your friend is safe using pack a pistol etc., but it would be wise not to use the verb without a direct object for a narrative set in the late 19th c.
answered 1 hour ago
KarlGKarlG
23.8k73566
answered 1 hour ago
KarlGKarlG
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answered 1 hour ago
KarlGKarlG
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from Etymonline.com pack
Sense of "to carry or convey in a pack" (1805) led to general sense of
"to carry in any manner;" hence to pack heat "carry a gun,"
and
1865 Atlantic Monthly One of the best of Rosecrans's scouts..lost
his life because he would..‘pack’ (carry) his gun.
answered 2 hours ago
lbflbf
22.3k22575
Where did you dig up the Atlantic Monthly quote? It didn’t show up in a COHA collocation search.
– KarlG
1 hour ago
You can find the entire October 1865 Atlantic quote here. Interestingly, the context involves a "scout" from eastern Kentucky working for the U.S. army who was found out by southern troops in the Confederate army because his dialect and habits differed from those of soldiers who really were from the mountains of Alabama, as he claimed to be.
– Sven Yargs
16 mins ago
Also of interest, from deposition taken March 19, 1869, from Andrew Hampton in Barnes vs. Adams: "Q. Did you never carry a gun, and go in company with Union soldiers ; and were you ever in the service as a soldier? — A. I have packed a gun to try to protect myself and my property, and to try to keep these men from stealing my property. I never was a soldier in any army."
– Sven Yargs
5 mins ago
add a comment |
from Etymonline.com pack
Sense of "to carry or convey in a pack" (1805) led to general sense of
"to carry in any manner;" hence to pack heat "carry a gun,"
and
1865 Atlantic Monthly One of the best of Rosecrans's scouts..lost
his life because he would..‘pack’ (carry) his gun.
answered 2 hours ago
lbflbf
22.3k22575
Where did you dig up the Atlantic Monthly quote? It didn’t show up in a COHA collocation search.
– KarlG
1 hour ago
You can find the entire October 1865 Atlantic quote here. Interestingly, the context involves a "scout" from eastern Kentucky working for the U.S. army who was found out by southern troops in the Confederate army because his dialect and habits differed from those of soldiers who really were from the mountains of Alabama, as he claimed to be.
– Sven Yargs
16 mins ago
Also of interest, from deposition taken March 19, 1869, from Andrew Hampton in Barnes vs. Adams: "Q. Did you never carry a gun, and go in company with Union soldiers ; and were you ever in the service as a soldier? — A. I have packed a gun to try to protect myself and my property, and to try to keep these men from stealing my property. I never was a soldier in any army."
– Sven Yargs
5 mins ago
add a comment |
from Etymonline.com pack
Sense of "to carry or convey in a pack" (1805) led to general sense of
"to carry in any manner;" hence to pack heat "carry a gun,"
and
1865 Atlantic Monthly One of the best of Rosecrans's scouts..lost
his life because he would..‘pack’ (carry) his gun.
answered 2 hours ago
lbflbf
22.3k22575
from Etymonline.com pack
Sense of "to carry or convey in a pack" (1805) led to general sense of
"to carry in any manner;" hence to pack heat "carry a gun,"
and
1865 Atlantic Monthly One of the best of Rosecrans's scouts..lost
his life because he would..‘pack’ (carry) his gun.
answered 2 hours ago
lbflbf
22.3k22575
edited 2 hours ago
answered 2 hours ago
lbflbf
22.3k22575
answered 2 hours ago
lbflbf
22.3k22575
answered 2 hours ago
lbflbf
22.3k22575
22.3k22575
Where did you dig up the Atlantic Monthly quote? It didn’t show up in a COHA collocation search.
– KarlG
1 hour ago
You can find the entire October 1865 Atlantic quote here. Interestingly, the context involves a "scout" from eastern Kentucky working for the U.S. army who was found out by southern troops in the Confederate army because his dialect and habits differed from those of soldiers who really were from the mountains of Alabama, as he claimed to be.
– Sven Yargs
16 mins ago
Also of interest, from deposition taken March 19, 1869, from Andrew Hampton in Barnes vs. Adams: "Q. Did you never carry a gun, and go in company with Union soldiers ; and were you ever in the service as a soldier? — A. I have packed a gun to try to protect myself and my property, and to try to keep these men from stealing my property. I never was a soldier in any army."
– Sven Yargs
5 mins ago
add a comment |
Where did you dig up the Atlantic Monthly quote? It didn’t show up in a COHA collocation search.
– KarlG
1 hour ago
You can find the entire October 1865 Atlantic quote here. Interestingly, the context involves a "scout" from eastern Kentucky working for the U.S. army who was found out by southern troops in the Confederate army because his dialect and habits differed from those of soldiers who really were from the mountains of Alabama, as he claimed to be.
– Sven Yargs
16 mins ago
Also of interest, from deposition taken March 19, 1869, from Andrew Hampton in Barnes vs. Adams: "Q. Did you never carry a gun, and go in company with Union soldiers ; and were you ever in the service as a soldier? — A. I have packed a gun to try to protect myself and my property, and to try to keep these men from stealing my property. I never was a soldier in any army."
– Sven Yargs
5 mins ago
Where did you dig up the Atlantic Monthly quote? It didn’t show up in a COHA collocation search.
– KarlG
1 hour ago
Where did you dig up the Atlantic Monthly quote? It didn’t show up in a COHA collocation search.
– KarlG
1 hour ago
You can find the entire October 1865 Atlantic quote here. Interestingly, the context involves a "scout" from eastern Kentucky working for the U.S. army who was found out by southern troops in the Confederate army because his dialect and habits differed from those of soldiers who really were from the mountains of Alabama, as he claimed to be.
– Sven Yargs
16 mins ago
You can find the entire October 1865 Atlantic quote here. Interestingly, the context involves a "scout" from eastern Kentucky working for the U.S. army who was found out by southern troops in the Confederate army because his dialect and habits differed from those of soldiers who really were from the mountains of Alabama, as he claimed to be.
– Sven Yargs
16 mins ago
Also of interest, from deposition taken March 19, 1869, from Andrew Hampton in Barnes vs. Adams: "Q. Did you never carry a gun, and go in company with Union soldiers ; and were you ever in the service as a soldier? — A. I have packed a gun to try to protect myself and my property, and to try to keep these men from stealing my property. I never was a soldier in any army."
– Sven Yargs
5 mins ago
Also of interest, from deposition taken March 19, 1869, from Andrew Hampton in Barnes vs. Adams: "Q. Did you never carry a gun, and go in company with Union soldiers ; and were you ever in the service as a soldier? — A. I have packed a gun to try to protect myself and my property, and to try to keep these men from stealing my property. I never was a soldier in any army."
– Sven Yargs
5 mins ago
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