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Transformation of random variables and joint distributions


Plotting confidence intervalsWhat is the PDF of a variable where a parameter is itself a random variable?NProbability not reliability analysis?Mathematica function to calculate equivalent NormalDistribution from a WeibullDistributionPDF for square of Rician random variable?Convolve discrete random variables efficientlyDistribution of Function of Random Sum of Random VariablesSketching Normal Probability Distributions GraphsConstruct Distribution Histogram From Random VariableNormal distribution plot construction













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Given a variable $y_i$, normally distributed with 0 mean and $σ_y$ standard deviation



$y_i$ ~ NormalDistribution[0,$σ_y$ ]



I want to obtain with Mathematica:



  1. The distribution of:
    $x = bary = frac sum_i=1^ny_in$


  2. The joint distribution of $ (x,y_i )$


Thank you for your helpful comments










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    What have you tried? For example, have you seen the documentation on TransformedDistribution and ProbabilityDistribution?
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    @JimB . I tried this TransformedDistribution[Sum[y, i, n]/n, y [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]y]]. The result is NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]y]. However, the correct result should be NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]y / Sqrt[n]]
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Given a variable $y_i$, normally distributed with 0 mean and $σ_y$ standard deviation



$y_i$ ~ NormalDistribution[0,$σ_y$ ]



I want to obtain with Mathematica:



  1. The distribution of:
    $x = bary = frac sum_i=1^ny_in$


  2. The joint distribution of $ (x,y_i )$


Thank you for your helpful comments










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    @JimB . I tried this TransformedDistribution[Sum[y, i, n]/n, y [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]y]]. The result is NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]y]. However, the correct result should be NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]y / Sqrt[n]]
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Given a variable $y_i$, normally distributed with 0 mean and $σ_y$ standard deviation



$y_i$ ~ NormalDistribution[0,$σ_y$ ]



I want to obtain with Mathematica:



  1. The distribution of:
    $x = bary = frac sum_i=1^ny_in$


  2. The joint distribution of $ (x,y_i )$


Thank you for your helpful comments










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Given a variable $y_i$, normally distributed with 0 mean and $σ_y$ standard deviation



$y_i$ ~ NormalDistribution[0,$σ_y$ ]



I want to obtain with Mathematica:



  1. The distribution of:
    $x = bary = frac sum_i=1^ny_in$


  2. The joint distribution of $ (x,y_i )$


Thank you for your helpful comments







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    @JimB . I tried this TransformedDistribution[Sum[y, i, n]/n, y [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]y]]. The result is NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]y]. However, the correct result should be NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]y / Sqrt[n]]
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    What have you tried? For example, have you seen the documentation on TransformedDistribution and ProbabilityDistribution?
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    – JimB
    6 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @JimB . I tried this TransformedDistribution[Sum[y, i, n]/n, y [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]y]]. The result is NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]y]. However, the correct result should be NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]y / Sqrt[n]]
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What have you tried? For example, have you seen the documentation on TransformedDistribution and ProbabilityDistribution?
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What have you tried? For example, have you seen the documentation on TransformedDistribution and ProbabilityDistribution?
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– JimB
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@JimB . I tried this TransformedDistribution[Sum[y, i, n]/n, y [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]y]]. The result is NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]y]. However, the correct result should be NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]y / Sqrt[n]]
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@JimB . I tried this TransformedDistribution[Sum[y, i, n]/n, y [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]y]]. The result is NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]y]. However, the correct result should be NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]y / Sqrt[n]]
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I don't know how to get Mathematica to get the joint distribution explicitly for a general value of $n$ but here is how one can easily see the pattern to figure out the general solution.



First the distribution of the mean:



marginalDistribution = TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[i], i, n]/n, 
Table[y[i] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], i, n],
Assumptions -> [Sigma] > 0]
#, marginalDistribution/.n-># &/@Range[2,10]


$$
beginarraycc
2 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt2right] \
3 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt3right] \
4 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma 2right] \
5 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt5right] \
6 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt6right] \
7 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt7right] \
8 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma 2 sqrt2right] \
9 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma 3right] \
10 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt10right] \
endarray
$$



So we see that the marginal distribution of $bary$ is



NormalDistribution[0, σ/Sqrt[n]]


The joint distribution of $bary$ and, say, $y_1$ is given by



jointDistribution = TransformedDistribution[y[1], Sum[y[i], i, n]/n, 
Table[y[i] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], i, n]]
#, jointDistribution /. n -> # & /@ Range[2, 10] // TableForm


$$
beginarraycc
2 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^22 \
fracsigma ^22 & fracsigma ^22 \
endarray
right)right] \
3 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^23 \
fracsigma ^23 & fracsigma ^23 \
endarray
right)right] \
4 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^24 \
fracsigma ^24 & fracsigma ^24 \
endarray
right)right] \
5 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^25 \
fracsigma ^25 & fracsigma ^25 \
endarray
right)right] \
6 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^26 \
fracsigma ^26 & fracsigma ^26 \
endarray
right)right] \
7 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^27 \
fracsigma ^27 & fracsigma ^27 \
endarray
right)right] \
8 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^28 \
fracsigma ^28 & fracsigma ^28 \
endarray
right)right] \
9 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^29 \
fracsigma ^29 & fracsigma ^29 \
endarray
right)right] \
10 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^210 \
fracsigma ^210 & fracsigma ^210 \
endarray
right)right] \
endarray
$$



So the general distribution is a multivariate normal



MultinormalDistribution[0, 0, σ^2, σ^2/n, σ^2/n, σ^2/n]


The general form of the joint density function can then be found with



FullSimplify[PDF[MultinormalDistribution[0, 0, σ^2, σ^2/n, σ^2/n, σ^2/n], y, ybar],
Assumptions -> σ > 0, n > 1]


$$fracn e^-fracn left(n textybar^2+y^2-2 y textybarright)2 (n-1) sigma ^22 pi sqrtn-1 sigma ^2$$






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    Anyway, I like your answer! I'll have to look at it to understand (not obvious (to me) that this would be the solution).
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Here is the distribution of $x=overliney$ (Part I of your question):



n = 5; (* for example *)
a = Table[y[k] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], k, 1, n];
TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/n, k, 5], a]


The result is



NormalDistribution[0, Abs[[Sigma]]/Sqrt[5]]


UPDATE



Okay, here is how to do it with $n$ a variable:



a[n_] := Table[y[k] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], k, 1, n]; 
p[n_] := TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/n, k, n], a[n]];


Now



x [Distributed] p[5] (* n=5, for example *)


Again, the result is



x [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, Abs[[Sigma]]/Sqrt[5]]





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    I am not sure, but shouldn't be n instead of 5 here TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/n, k, 5], a] ? And what if I want to leave n, without assigning a value to n? Thanks @mjw
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    Oh yes, you are right! I started with 10 and changed to five as I was trying it out. I'll fix it ... Thanks!
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    Let's go with five because it is clearer. The result is NormalDistribution[0,[Sigma]/Sqrt[5]]. Not sure why Mathematica puts Abs[] around $sigma$. Obviously, $sigma>0$.
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    Yes, sure it is clearer. Do you have any idea of how can I use n as a parameter, without assigning a value to n?
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just modified @mjw's answer,



n = 100;(*for example*)ClearAll[y]; 
a = Table[y[k] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], k, 1, n];
meanDist = TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/100, k, 100], a]


JointDistribution can be composed by ProductDistribution,
if these random variables are independent.

if not,you have to use Copula



joint = ProductDistribution[meanDist, 
Last@*List @@ Part[a, 1]] /. [Sigma] -> 1;
RandomVariate[joint, 100] // Histogram3D


enter image description here



joint = ProductDistribution[meanDist, 
Last@*List @@ Part[a, 1]] /. [Sigma] -> 1;
m1 = RandomVariate[meanDist /. [Sigma] -> 1, 100000];
m2 = RandomVariate[
Last@*List @@ Part[a, 1] /. [Sigma] -> 1, 100000];
Correlation[Thread[List[m1, m2]]]
ListPlot[Thread[List[m1, m2]]]


=>



1., -0.00256777, -0.00256777, 1.


enter image description here

I'm not sure about correlation,but it's okay.






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    I believe that the distributions are not independent. Since $overlinex$ is computed from $y_i$ and other $y_j$'s, it would seem to be dependent. We could compute whether or not the distributions are dependent ...
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    I would also recommend using 10^6 rather than 100, you'll get a sharper plot!
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    Exactly, the two variables are not independent unfortunately
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I don't know how to get Mathematica to get the joint distribution explicitly for a general value of $n$ but here is how one can easily see the pattern to figure out the general solution.



First the distribution of the mean:



marginalDistribution = TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[i], i, n]/n, 
Table[y[i] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], i, n],
Assumptions -> [Sigma] > 0]
#, marginalDistribution/.n-># &/@Range[2,10]


$$
beginarraycc
2 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt2right] \
3 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt3right] \
4 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma 2right] \
5 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt5right] \
6 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt6right] \
7 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt7right] \
8 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma 2 sqrt2right] \
9 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma 3right] \
10 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt10right] \
endarray
$$



So we see that the marginal distribution of $bary$ is



NormalDistribution[0, σ/Sqrt[n]]


The joint distribution of $bary$ and, say, $y_1$ is given by



jointDistribution = TransformedDistribution[y[1], Sum[y[i], i, n]/n, 
Table[y[i] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], i, n]]
#, jointDistribution /. n -> # & /@ Range[2, 10] // TableForm


$$
beginarraycc
2 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^22 \
fracsigma ^22 & fracsigma ^22 \
endarray
right)right] \
3 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^23 \
fracsigma ^23 & fracsigma ^23 \
endarray
right)right] \
4 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^24 \
fracsigma ^24 & fracsigma ^24 \
endarray
right)right] \
5 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^25 \
fracsigma ^25 & fracsigma ^25 \
endarray
right)right] \
6 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^26 \
fracsigma ^26 & fracsigma ^26 \
endarray
right)right] \
7 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^27 \
fracsigma ^27 & fracsigma ^27 \
endarray
right)right] \
8 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^28 \
fracsigma ^28 & fracsigma ^28 \
endarray
right)right] \
9 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^29 \
fracsigma ^29 & fracsigma ^29 \
endarray
right)right] \
10 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^210 \
fracsigma ^210 & fracsigma ^210 \
endarray
right)right] \
endarray
$$



So the general distribution is a multivariate normal



MultinormalDistribution[0, 0, σ^2, σ^2/n, σ^2/n, σ^2/n]


The general form of the joint density function can then be found with



FullSimplify[PDF[MultinormalDistribution[0, 0, σ^2, σ^2/n, σ^2/n, σ^2/n], y, ybar],
Assumptions -> σ > 0, n > 1]


$$fracn e^-fracn left(n textybar^2+y^2-2 y textybarright)2 (n-1) sigma ^22 pi sqrtn-1 sigma ^2$$






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    @mjw Good. Answers should always be scrutinized and challenged if desired.
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I don't know how to get Mathematica to get the joint distribution explicitly for a general value of $n$ but here is how one can easily see the pattern to figure out the general solution.



First the distribution of the mean:



marginalDistribution = TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[i], i, n]/n, 
Table[y[i] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], i, n],
Assumptions -> [Sigma] > 0]
#, marginalDistribution/.n-># &/@Range[2,10]


$$
beginarraycc
2 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt2right] \
3 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt3right] \
4 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma 2right] \
5 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt5right] \
6 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt6right] \
7 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt7right] \
8 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma 2 sqrt2right] \
9 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma 3right] \
10 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt10right] \
endarray
$$



So we see that the marginal distribution of $bary$ is



NormalDistribution[0, σ/Sqrt[n]]


The joint distribution of $bary$ and, say, $y_1$ is given by



jointDistribution = TransformedDistribution[y[1], Sum[y[i], i, n]/n, 
Table[y[i] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], i, n]]
#, jointDistribution /. n -> # & /@ Range[2, 10] // TableForm


$$
beginarraycc
2 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^22 \
fracsigma ^22 & fracsigma ^22 \
endarray
right)right] \
3 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^23 \
fracsigma ^23 & fracsigma ^23 \
endarray
right)right] \
4 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^24 \
fracsigma ^24 & fracsigma ^24 \
endarray
right)right] \
5 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^25 \
fracsigma ^25 & fracsigma ^25 \
endarray
right)right] \
6 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^26 \
fracsigma ^26 & fracsigma ^26 \
endarray
right)right] \
7 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^27 \
fracsigma ^27 & fracsigma ^27 \
endarray
right)right] \
8 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^28 \
fracsigma ^28 & fracsigma ^28 \
endarray
right)right] \
9 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^29 \
fracsigma ^29 & fracsigma ^29 \
endarray
right)right] \
10 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^210 \
fracsigma ^210 & fracsigma ^210 \
endarray
right)right] \
endarray
$$



So the general distribution is a multivariate normal



MultinormalDistribution[0, 0, σ^2, σ^2/n, σ^2/n, σ^2/n]


The general form of the joint density function can then be found with



FullSimplify[PDF[MultinormalDistribution[0, 0, σ^2, σ^2/n, σ^2/n, σ^2/n], y, ybar],
Assumptions -> σ > 0, n > 1]


$$fracn e^-fracn left(n textybar^2+y^2-2 y textybarright)2 (n-1) sigma ^22 pi sqrtn-1 sigma ^2$$






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I don't know how to get Mathematica to get the joint distribution explicitly for a general value of $n$ but here is how one can easily see the pattern to figure out the general solution.



First the distribution of the mean:



marginalDistribution = TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[i], i, n]/n, 
Table[y[i] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], i, n],
Assumptions -> [Sigma] > 0]
#, marginalDistribution/.n-># &/@Range[2,10]


$$
beginarraycc
2 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt2right] \
3 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt3right] \
4 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma 2right] \
5 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt5right] \
6 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt6right] \
7 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt7right] \
8 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma 2 sqrt2right] \
9 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma 3right] \
10 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt10right] \
endarray
$$



So we see that the marginal distribution of $bary$ is



NormalDistribution[0, σ/Sqrt[n]]


The joint distribution of $bary$ and, say, $y_1$ is given by



jointDistribution = TransformedDistribution[y[1], Sum[y[i], i, n]/n, 
Table[y[i] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], i, n]]
#, jointDistribution /. n -> # & /@ Range[2, 10] // TableForm


$$
beginarraycc
2 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^22 \
fracsigma ^22 & fracsigma ^22 \
endarray
right)right] \
3 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^23 \
fracsigma ^23 & fracsigma ^23 \
endarray
right)right] \
4 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^24 \
fracsigma ^24 & fracsigma ^24 \
endarray
right)right] \
5 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^25 \
fracsigma ^25 & fracsigma ^25 \
endarray
right)right] \
6 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^26 \
fracsigma ^26 & fracsigma ^26 \
endarray
right)right] \
7 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^27 \
fracsigma ^27 & fracsigma ^27 \
endarray
right)right] \
8 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^28 \
fracsigma ^28 & fracsigma ^28 \
endarray
right)right] \
9 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^29 \
fracsigma ^29 & fracsigma ^29 \
endarray
right)right] \
10 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^210 \
fracsigma ^210 & fracsigma ^210 \
endarray
right)right] \
endarray
$$



So the general distribution is a multivariate normal



MultinormalDistribution[0, 0, σ^2, σ^2/n, σ^2/n, σ^2/n]


The general form of the joint density function can then be found with



FullSimplify[PDF[MultinormalDistribution[0, 0, σ^2, σ^2/n, σ^2/n, σ^2/n], y, ybar],
Assumptions -> σ > 0, n > 1]


$$fracn e^-fracn left(n textybar^2+y^2-2 y textybarright)2 (n-1) sigma ^22 pi sqrtn-1 sigma ^2$$






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I don't know how to get Mathematica to get the joint distribution explicitly for a general value of $n$ but here is how one can easily see the pattern to figure out the general solution.



First the distribution of the mean:



marginalDistribution = TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[i], i, n]/n, 
Table[y[i] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], i, n],
Assumptions -> [Sigma] > 0]
#, marginalDistribution/.n-># &/@Range[2,10]


$$
beginarraycc
2 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt2right] \
3 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt3right] \
4 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma 2right] \
5 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt5right] \
6 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt6right] \
7 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt7right] \
8 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma 2 sqrt2right] \
9 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma 3right] \
10 & textNormalDistributionleft[0,fracsigma sqrt10right] \
endarray
$$



So we see that the marginal distribution of $bary$ is



NormalDistribution[0, σ/Sqrt[n]]


The joint distribution of $bary$ and, say, $y_1$ is given by



jointDistribution = TransformedDistribution[y[1], Sum[y[i], i, n]/n, 
Table[y[i] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], i, n]]
#, jointDistribution /. n -> # & /@ Range[2, 10] // TableForm


$$
beginarraycc
2 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^22 \
fracsigma ^22 & fracsigma ^22 \
endarray
right)right] \
3 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^23 \
fracsigma ^23 & fracsigma ^23 \
endarray
right)right] \
4 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^24 \
fracsigma ^24 & fracsigma ^24 \
endarray
right)right] \
5 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^25 \
fracsigma ^25 & fracsigma ^25 \
endarray
right)right] \
6 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^26 \
fracsigma ^26 & fracsigma ^26 \
endarray
right)right] \
7 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^27 \
fracsigma ^27 & fracsigma ^27 \
endarray
right)right] \
8 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^28 \
fracsigma ^28 & fracsigma ^28 \
endarray
right)right] \
9 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^29 \
fracsigma ^29 & fracsigma ^29 \
endarray
right)right] \
10 & textMultinormalDistributionleft[0,0,left(
beginarraycc
sigma ^2 & fracsigma ^210 \
fracsigma ^210 & fracsigma ^210 \
endarray
right)right] \
endarray
$$



So the general distribution is a multivariate normal



MultinormalDistribution[0, 0, σ^2, σ^2/n, σ^2/n, σ^2/n]


The general form of the joint density function can then be found with



FullSimplify[PDF[MultinormalDistribution[0, 0, σ^2, σ^2/n, σ^2/n, σ^2/n], y, ybar],
Assumptions -> σ > 0, n > 1]


$$fracn e^-fracn left(n textybar^2+y^2-2 y textybarright)2 (n-1) sigma ^22 pi sqrtn-1 sigma ^2$$







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    Anyway, I like your answer! I'll have to look at it to understand (not obvious (to me) that this would be the solution).
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    @mjw Good. Answers should always be scrutinized and challenged if desired.
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    – JimB
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    Anyway, I like your answer! I'll have to look at it to understand (not obvious (to me) that this would be the solution).
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    – mjw
    44 mins ago











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    @mjw Good. Answers should always be scrutinized and challenged if desired.
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    – JimB
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Anyway, I like your answer! I'll have to look at it to understand (not obvious (to me) that this would be the solution).
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– mjw
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Anyway, I like your answer! I'll have to look at it to understand (not obvious (to me) that this would be the solution).
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– mjw
44 mins ago













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@mjw Good. Answers should always be scrutinized and challenged if desired.
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– JimB
42 mins ago





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@mjw Good. Answers should always be scrutinized and challenged if desired.
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– JimB
42 mins ago












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Here is the distribution of $x=overliney$ (Part I of your question):



n = 5; (* for example *)
a = Table[y[k] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], k, 1, n];
TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/n, k, 5], a]


The result is



NormalDistribution[0, Abs[[Sigma]]/Sqrt[5]]


UPDATE



Okay, here is how to do it with $n$ a variable:



a[n_] := Table[y[k] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], k, 1, n]; 
p[n_] := TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/n, k, n], a[n]];


Now



x [Distributed] p[5] (* n=5, for example *)


Again, the result is



x [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, Abs[[Sigma]]/Sqrt[5]]





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    I am not sure, but shouldn't be n instead of 5 here TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/n, k, 5], a] ? And what if I want to leave n, without assigning a value to n? Thanks @mjw
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    Oh yes, you are right! I started with 10 and changed to five as I was trying it out. I'll fix it ... Thanks!
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    Let's go with five because it is clearer. The result is NormalDistribution[0,[Sigma]/Sqrt[5]]. Not sure why Mathematica puts Abs[] around $sigma$. Obviously, $sigma>0$.
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    Yes, sure it is clearer. Do you have any idea of how can I use n as a parameter, without assigning a value to n?
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    1 hour ago










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Here is the distribution of $x=overliney$ (Part I of your question):



n = 5; (* for example *)
a = Table[y[k] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], k, 1, n];
TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/n, k, 5], a]


The result is



NormalDistribution[0, Abs[[Sigma]]/Sqrt[5]]


UPDATE



Okay, here is how to do it with $n$ a variable:



a[n_] := Table[y[k] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], k, 1, n]; 
p[n_] := TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/n, k, n], a[n]];


Now



x [Distributed] p[5] (* n=5, for example *)


Again, the result is



x [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, Abs[[Sigma]]/Sqrt[5]]





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    I am not sure, but shouldn't be n instead of 5 here TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/n, k, 5], a] ? And what if I want to leave n, without assigning a value to n? Thanks @mjw
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    Oh yes, you are right! I started with 10 and changed to five as I was trying it out. I'll fix it ... Thanks!
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    2 hours ago











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    Let's go with five because it is clearer. The result is NormalDistribution[0,[Sigma]/Sqrt[5]]. Not sure why Mathematica puts Abs[] around $sigma$. Obviously, $sigma>0$.
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    – mjw
    2 hours ago










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    Yes, sure it is clearer. Do you have any idea of how can I use n as a parameter, without assigning a value to n?
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    1 hour ago










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Here is the distribution of $x=overliney$ (Part I of your question):



n = 5; (* for example *)
a = Table[y[k] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], k, 1, n];
TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/n, k, 5], a]


The result is



NormalDistribution[0, Abs[[Sigma]]/Sqrt[5]]


UPDATE



Okay, here is how to do it with $n$ a variable:



a[n_] := Table[y[k] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], k, 1, n]; 
p[n_] := TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/n, k, n], a[n]];


Now



x [Distributed] p[5] (* n=5, for example *)


Again, the result is



x [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, Abs[[Sigma]]/Sqrt[5]]





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Here is the distribution of $x=overliney$ (Part I of your question):



n = 5; (* for example *)
a = Table[y[k] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], k, 1, n];
TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/n, k, 5], a]


The result is



NormalDistribution[0, Abs[[Sigma]]/Sqrt[5]]


UPDATE



Okay, here is how to do it with $n$ a variable:



a[n_] := Table[y[k] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], k, 1, n]; 
p[n_] := TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/n, k, n], a[n]];


Now



x [Distributed] p[5] (* n=5, for example *)


Again, the result is



x [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, Abs[[Sigma]]/Sqrt[5]]






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    I am not sure, but shouldn't be n instead of 5 here TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/n, k, 5], a] ? And what if I want to leave n, without assigning a value to n? Thanks @mjw
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    Oh yes, you are right! I started with 10 and changed to five as I was trying it out. I'll fix it ... Thanks!
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    Let's go with five because it is clearer. The result is NormalDistribution[0,[Sigma]/Sqrt[5]]. Not sure why Mathematica puts Abs[] around $sigma$. Obviously, $sigma>0$.
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    2 hours ago










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    Yes, sure it is clearer. Do you have any idea of how can I use n as a parameter, without assigning a value to n?
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    1 hour ago










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    a[n_] = Table[y[k] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], k, 1, n];
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  • $begingroup$
    I am not sure, but shouldn't be n instead of 5 here TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/n, k, 5], a] ? And what if I want to leave n, without assigning a value to n? Thanks @mjw
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    Oh yes, you are right! I started with 10 and changed to five as I was trying it out. I'll fix it ... Thanks!
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    – mjw
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  • $begingroup$
    Let's go with five because it is clearer. The result is NormalDistribution[0,[Sigma]/Sqrt[5]]. Not sure why Mathematica puts Abs[] around $sigma$. Obviously, $sigma>0$.
    $endgroup$
    – mjw
    2 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Yes, sure it is clearer. Do you have any idea of how can I use n as a parameter, without assigning a value to n?
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    – Andrea2810
    1 hour ago










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    a[n_] = Table[y[k] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], k, 1, n];
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    1 hour ago
















$begingroup$
I am not sure, but shouldn't be n instead of 5 here TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/n, k, 5], a] ? And what if I want to leave n, without assigning a value to n? Thanks @mjw
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– Andrea2810
2 hours ago





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I am not sure, but shouldn't be n instead of 5 here TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/n, k, 5], a] ? And what if I want to leave n, without assigning a value to n? Thanks @mjw
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– Andrea2810
2 hours ago













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Oh yes, you are right! I started with 10 and changed to five as I was trying it out. I'll fix it ... Thanks!
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– mjw
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Oh yes, you are right! I started with 10 and changed to five as I was trying it out. I'll fix it ... Thanks!
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– mjw
2 hours ago













$begingroup$
Let's go with five because it is clearer. The result is NormalDistribution[0,[Sigma]/Sqrt[5]]. Not sure why Mathematica puts Abs[] around $sigma$. Obviously, $sigma>0$.
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– mjw
2 hours ago




$begingroup$
Let's go with five because it is clearer. The result is NormalDistribution[0,[Sigma]/Sqrt[5]]. Not sure why Mathematica puts Abs[] around $sigma$. Obviously, $sigma>0$.
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– mjw
2 hours ago












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Yes, sure it is clearer. Do you have any idea of how can I use n as a parameter, without assigning a value to n?
$endgroup$
– Andrea2810
1 hour ago




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Yes, sure it is clearer. Do you have any idea of how can I use n as a parameter, without assigning a value to n?
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– Andrea2810
1 hour ago












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a[n_] = Table[y[k] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], k, 1, n];
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a[n_] = Table[y[k] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], k, 1, n];
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just modified @mjw's answer,



n = 100;(*for example*)ClearAll[y]; 
a = Table[y[k] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], k, 1, n];
meanDist = TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/100, k, 100], a]


JointDistribution can be composed by ProductDistribution,
if these random variables are independent.

if not,you have to use Copula



joint = ProductDistribution[meanDist, 
Last@*List @@ Part[a, 1]] /. [Sigma] -> 1;
RandomVariate[joint, 100] // Histogram3D


enter image description here



joint = ProductDistribution[meanDist, 
Last@*List @@ Part[a, 1]] /. [Sigma] -> 1;
m1 = RandomVariate[meanDist /. [Sigma] -> 1, 100000];
m2 = RandomVariate[
Last@*List @@ Part[a, 1] /. [Sigma] -> 1, 100000];
Correlation[Thread[List[m1, m2]]]
ListPlot[Thread[List[m1, m2]]]


=>



1., -0.00256777, -0.00256777, 1.


enter image description here

I'm not sure about correlation,but it's okay.






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    I believe that the distributions are not independent. Since $overlinex$ is computed from $y_i$ and other $y_j$'s, it would seem to be dependent. We could compute whether or not the distributions are dependent ...
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    I would also recommend using 10^6 rather than 100, you'll get a sharper plot!
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    2 hours ago










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    Exactly, the two variables are not independent unfortunately
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    2 hours ago















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just modified @mjw's answer,



n = 100;(*for example*)ClearAll[y]; 
a = Table[y[k] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], k, 1, n];
meanDist = TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/100, k, 100], a]


JointDistribution can be composed by ProductDistribution,
if these random variables are independent.

if not,you have to use Copula



joint = ProductDistribution[meanDist, 
Last@*List @@ Part[a, 1]] /. [Sigma] -> 1;
RandomVariate[joint, 100] // Histogram3D


enter image description here



joint = ProductDistribution[meanDist, 
Last@*List @@ Part[a, 1]] /. [Sigma] -> 1;
m1 = RandomVariate[meanDist /. [Sigma] -> 1, 100000];
m2 = RandomVariate[
Last@*List @@ Part[a, 1] /. [Sigma] -> 1, 100000];
Correlation[Thread[List[m1, m2]]]
ListPlot[Thread[List[m1, m2]]]


=>



1., -0.00256777, -0.00256777, 1.


enter image description here

I'm not sure about correlation,but it's okay.






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    I believe that the distributions are not independent. Since $overlinex$ is computed from $y_i$ and other $y_j$'s, it would seem to be dependent. We could compute whether or not the distributions are dependent ...
    $endgroup$
    – mjw
    2 hours ago










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    I would also recommend using 10^6 rather than 100, you'll get a sharper plot!
    $endgroup$
    – mjw
    2 hours ago










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    Exactly, the two variables are not independent unfortunately
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    – Andrea2810
    2 hours ago













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just modified @mjw's answer,



n = 100;(*for example*)ClearAll[y]; 
a = Table[y[k] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], k, 1, n];
meanDist = TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/100, k, 100], a]


JointDistribution can be composed by ProductDistribution,
if these random variables are independent.

if not,you have to use Copula



joint = ProductDistribution[meanDist, 
Last@*List @@ Part[a, 1]] /. [Sigma] -> 1;
RandomVariate[joint, 100] // Histogram3D


enter image description here



joint = ProductDistribution[meanDist, 
Last@*List @@ Part[a, 1]] /. [Sigma] -> 1;
m1 = RandomVariate[meanDist /. [Sigma] -> 1, 100000];
m2 = RandomVariate[
Last@*List @@ Part[a, 1] /. [Sigma] -> 1, 100000];
Correlation[Thread[List[m1, m2]]]
ListPlot[Thread[List[m1, m2]]]


=>



1., -0.00256777, -0.00256777, 1.


enter image description here

I'm not sure about correlation,but it's okay.






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just modified @mjw's answer,



n = 100;(*for example*)ClearAll[y]; 
a = Table[y[k] [Distributed] NormalDistribution[0, [Sigma]], k, 1, n];
meanDist = TransformedDistribution[Sum[y[k]/100, k, 100], a]


JointDistribution can be composed by ProductDistribution,
if these random variables are independent.

if not,you have to use Copula



joint = ProductDistribution[meanDist, 
Last@*List @@ Part[a, 1]] /. [Sigma] -> 1;
RandomVariate[joint, 100] // Histogram3D


enter image description here



joint = ProductDistribution[meanDist, 
Last@*List @@ Part[a, 1]] /. [Sigma] -> 1;
m1 = RandomVariate[meanDist /. [Sigma] -> 1, 100000];
m2 = RandomVariate[
Last@*List @@ Part[a, 1] /. [Sigma] -> 1, 100000];
Correlation[Thread[List[m1, m2]]]
ListPlot[Thread[List[m1, m2]]]


=>



1., -0.00256777, -0.00256777, 1.


enter image description here

I'm not sure about correlation,but it's okay.







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    I believe that the distributions are not independent. Since $overlinex$ is computed from $y_i$ and other $y_j$'s, it would seem to be dependent. We could compute whether or not the distributions are dependent ...
    $endgroup$
    – mjw
    2 hours ago










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    I would also recommend using 10^6 rather than 100, you'll get a sharper plot!
    $endgroup$
    – mjw
    2 hours ago










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    Exactly, the two variables are not independent unfortunately
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    – Andrea2810
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    I believe that the distributions are not independent. Since $overlinex$ is computed from $y_i$ and other $y_j$'s, it would seem to be dependent. We could compute whether or not the distributions are dependent ...
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    – mjw
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    I would also recommend using 10^6 rather than 100, you'll get a sharper plot!
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    – mjw
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    Exactly, the two variables are not independent unfortunately
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    – Andrea2810
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$begingroup$
I believe that the distributions are not independent. Since $overlinex$ is computed from $y_i$ and other $y_j$'s, it would seem to be dependent. We could compute whether or not the distributions are dependent ...
$endgroup$
– mjw
2 hours ago




$begingroup$
I believe that the distributions are not independent. Since $overlinex$ is computed from $y_i$ and other $y_j$'s, it would seem to be dependent. We could compute whether or not the distributions are dependent ...
$endgroup$
– mjw
2 hours ago












$begingroup$
I would also recommend using 10^6 rather than 100, you'll get a sharper plot!
$endgroup$
– mjw
2 hours ago




$begingroup$
I would also recommend using 10^6 rather than 100, you'll get a sharper plot!
$endgroup$
– mjw
2 hours ago












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Exactly, the two variables are not independent unfortunately
$endgroup$
– Andrea2810
2 hours ago




$begingroup$
Exactly, the two variables are not independent unfortunately
$endgroup$
– Andrea2810
2 hours ago










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